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HistWar (English zone) => Multiplay => Discussion démarrée par: Alfiere le 26 juillet 2010, 15:37:12 pm

Titre: Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Alfiere le 26 juillet 2010, 15:37:12 pm
WORK!!!
Ajle and I have retry today without Hamachi.
This time with all open port 21205,6073,2302-2400.
I have always problems in the past,for me is the first time that play in MP.
Great
Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Darsh le 26 juillet 2010, 16:19:25 pm
WORK!!!
Ajle and I have retry today without Hamachi.
This time with all open port 21205,6073,2302-2400.
I have always problems in the past,for me is the first time that play in MP.
Great

Great news, It'll a good argument for those who don't like hamachi.
Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Hook le 26 juillet 2010, 20:13:16 pm
I posted this in another thread, but I'll post it here too.

If we could get a couple more people to try this both ways, forwarding just 21205 or forwarding all the above ports, and get confirmation if it works only with all the ports open, If we could get a couple more people to try this both ways, forwarding just 20205 or forwarding all the above ports, and get confirmation if it works only one of the ways, we'll know how to support network play with routers.  Thanks in advance.

Hook
Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Alfiere le 26 juillet 2010, 21:00:32 pm
Unfortunately i cannot give technical explanations.
I know that Ajle (host) changed something than yesterday.1° test (i do not know what and also i am curious), and I open all ports suggested.
I am behind a nat ,only join is possible for me.I do not have a IP visible from outside nat.
I do not know if i have a router or not, but today for fist time i have connection for MP.
This is all I know.

Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: AJ le 26 juillet 2010, 21:27:28 pm
Citer
If we could get a couple more people to try this both ways, forwarding just 21205 or forwarding all the above ports, and get confirmation if it works only with all the ports open, If we could get a couple more people to try this both ways, forwarding just 20205 or forwarding all the above ports, and get confirmation if it works only one of the ways, we'll know how to support network play with routers.  Thanks in advance.

Hook

In the test with Alfy I only configured 21205, all ok. Alao did a test with G24 and Gros Paul, same thing all OK
Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Gunner24 le 26 juillet 2010, 22:18:20 pm
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In the test with Alfy I only configured 21205
Same here, I did it in my Anti Virus package - McAfee, it was all very easy, a couple of minutes only needed.

I have been able to host and join MP games every time, no crash, no lost connection, no problems at all.

WITHOUT Hamachi.
Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Hook le 26 juillet 2010, 22:26:21 pm
Port forwarding is only for people with routers.  If you don't have a router, you won't have to bother with it.

The NAT shouldn't make any difference, as far as I know, and if I remember right it's in your router.  Once you've forwarded the ports, it should work properly;  the NAT will know what to do. 

The IP address your ISP gives you will be different from the one you have inside your network.  Got to http://www.whatismyip.com to get your external IP address, and give that to someone trying to join.

We need to make sure people can both host and join games if they have a router.

Hook
Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: AJ le 27 juillet 2010, 00:03:00 am
Citer
The NAT shouldn't make any difference, as far as I know, and if I remember right it's in your router.  Once you've forwarded the ports, it should work properly;  the NAT will know what to do. 


Hook, I think your right. Alfy was behind a NAT (whatever that is) and he was able to join me. Tomorrow I am going to try and get ALFY to host.
Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: GrosPaul le 27 juillet 2010, 04:54:05 am
I understand the key of the problem is to know if we use a "router" or a "modem".

That seems easy to resolve ... although, trying to know about mine, I read "Linksys Modem Router".

Is it possible my thingamajig is at the same time a router AND a modem ???

Cheers,
GP.
Titre: Re : Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Alfiere le 27 juillet 2010, 06:54:43 am
"The IP address your ISP gives you will be different from the one you have inside your network."
Right

"Got to http://www.whatismyip.com to get your external IP address, and give that to someone trying to join."
Give me the IP inside the NAT ,but not right or not visible for who is outside the nat.

I have Hub,not router or modem.



Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Hook le 27 juillet 2010, 16:55:32 pm
"Linksys Modem Router". Is it possible my thingamajig is at the same time a router AND a modem ???

Yes, especially if you can connect more than one computer to it.

Citer
(whatismyip) Give me the IP inside the NAT ,but not right or not visible for who is outside the nat.

When you visit a web site, that site needs to know where to return the web pages to your computer.  It uses the same IP address that whatismyip is showing you.  Your internal IP address is likely to be different (for example, 192.168.0.101). 

If my memory works, a hub is a router without a firewall.

Hook
Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Alfiere le 27 juillet 2010, 17:13:59 pm
Yes my internal IP is very similar at example.
For to have external IP is a service to buy.
Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Hook le 28 juillet 2010, 04:48:26 am
For to have external IP is a service to buy.

I've never heard of such a thing, but I can imagine it happening.  It would be difficult to enforce.

Are you sure it's not a static IP that costs more?  I've seen that a few times.  A static IP does not change; you always keep the same one.  My IP address will change if I log off my ISP for over about 12 hours.

Citer
Yes my internal IP is very similar at example.

Are you saying that whatismyip returns an address like 192.168.xxx.xxx?  That would be very strange indeed.  Perhaps JMM can get your IP address from one of your posts and PM you with it.

Hook
Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Alfiere le 28 juillet 2010, 05:04:17 am
Yes static IP .Sorry

I know that I only join in MP, i cannot host.
Also mitra is in my same NAT.He is  more expert than me for explanations.
I and mitra have try in the past to play  MP.
We tried with Hamachi without success for me.
He instead had always played in MP without problem from vers 1 of LG and i had always problems only now with ver 02b is ok.

No whatismyip,it is different.
If i give the command ipconfig i see a IP similar at example.


Titre: Re : Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Hook le 28 juillet 2010, 05:15:43 am
Yes static IP .Sorry
Also my IP change.

That shouldn't be a problem.  Your IP address should never change in the middle of a session online.  You are given a "lease period" to use the same IP address.  If you are still online when the lease expires, the IP does not change.  If the IP address changed often in the middle of an online session, you'd have major problems viewing web pages or downloading files as suddenly the content would be going to the wrong address.

My lease period is 12 hours.  Normally, I leave my computer on 24/7 and I keep the same IP address for weeks at a time.

Citer
No whatismyip,it is different.
If i give the command ipconfig i see a IP similar at example.

The address you get with ipconfig is your internal address and can't be used by someone outside your network.  You will have to visit whatismyip to get your external address, and give that to anyone trying to join a game that you host.  Do this every time you host a game unless you're playing additional games right after the first.

Hook
Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Alfiere le 28 juillet 2010, 05:32:04 am
Probabily my problems were due for some wrong setting in windows.
But i had tried in the past 3 attempts of direct connection, and 5-6 with Hamachi and for every attempts changing windows settings without success.
Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Alfiere le 28 juillet 2010, 06:45:26 am
I hope that  Ajle(host) print screen of windows setting  of four masks  more important for port 21205 TCP-UDP inbound and outbound to facilitate other that have problems.
Maybe to do some experiments for to find minimal windows configuration necessary to run LG in MP.
I have set also the permission of run LG through the firewall.
In attach file a mask example for TCP inbound used by me for join(win 7).
(Way for win 7 italian)
explora risorse (bottom desktop)  left click
Rete       double click
Centro connessione di rete e condivisione (above)  click
Windows Firewall   (left bottom)  click
Impostazioni Avanzate    click
Regole di connessione in entrata  click
Right click for select properties of a rule previously created.
Titre: Re : Succesfull Test without Hamachi
Posté par: Alfiere le 28 juillet 2010, 14:49:19 pm
To note for outbound port is set remote port not local port.?
I have notice this now.
All port outbound is set how remote.
Wait to see Ajle setting.
Today have played another battle with Ajle in MP and i have used only 21205 port(TCP-UDP) in and out, without port 6073 UDP and 2302-2400 UDP for join and all ok.