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Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?

Placed at 900-1000 mt from enemy line
7 (63.6%)
On La Haye Sainte at 600-700 mt from enemy line
4 (36.4%)
It is a myth
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Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #15 le: 26 février 2011, 23:53:59 pm »
In my understanding the Grand Battery was just N of La Belle alliance streching east across the ridge, although was probably more of a line of individual batteries. Then it moved forward slightly to support d'Erlon as the Grand battery, then parts of it moved forward to the ridge east of La Haye Saint when the farm was taken but i wouldnt call it a Grand battery at that time, so ill go for all three :).

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Re : Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #16 le: 27 février 2011, 11:55:56 am »
But why low damage at 800 mt from opposite road ?

Because:
1) the ground was very wet (mud) and it was impossible to make the cannonballs bounce.
That's also the mean reason why the battle began so late.
2) the enemy was on the reverse slope.

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Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #17 le: 27 février 2011, 12:06:32 pm »
http://www.histwar.org/forum/index.php/topic,5604.msg76735.html#msg76735

There is a interesting site , posted from  vonJaeger, that explain start deploy of GB.
thank vonJaeger.
I think this is right.
I understand start deploy near d'Erlon corp.
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Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #18 le: 27 février 2011, 13:17:04 pm »
I think that is the position that is most likely. According to the letters from several cavalry officers they came under fire from guns on the "enemy ridge" when charging d'Erlons Corps. One would assume this is the ridge at La Belle Alliance. It is not however unreasonable to suggest that several batteries may of joined d'Erlons attack. But for the sake of a Grand Battery it would of been further back.

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Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #19 le: 29 mars 2011, 12:10:37 pm »
I went on the spot last Saturday to make some pictures from the place where the Grande Batterie was.

I'm nearly sure now it was closer to the Haie-Sainte than what most people think.

The reason for this is that if the battery had been near Belle-Alliance, the crest on which it in reality stood would nearly have blocked the shots towards the allied ridge. For that reason, the battery HAD to advance.





For a more detailed view :

http://napoleon-monuments.eu/Napoleon1er/1815AFEW.htm#GdeBatt

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Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #20 le: 29 mars 2011, 12:13:53 pm »
Nice photos! Check out the Histwar 6km map in the depot you can compare the ridges with these photos and fly around in 3d!

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Re : Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #21 le: 29 mars 2011, 12:55:14 pm »

But why low damage at 800 mt from opposite road ?
 
Because the enemy was BEHIND the ridge.

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Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #22 le: 29 mars 2011, 15:34:49 pm »
Yes is true,but some doubt remain.

Very nice photos DominiqueT .
I understand something more now.
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Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #23 le: 29 mars 2011, 16:03:39 pm »
Thanks for this photos, im agree with you 100%.
Glinka F.N. The memoirs of  Borodino battle. - "...screams of commanders and howls of despair on ten different languages was drowned by cannonade and drumbeat..."

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Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #24 le: 29 mars 2011, 19:40:41 pm »
Thanks DominiqueT for these nice pics.

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Re : Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #25 le: 01 avril 2011, 11:29:49 am »
I went on the spot last Saturday to make some pictures from the place where the Grande Batterie was.

I'm nearly sure now it was closer to the Haie-Sainte than what most people think.

The reason for this is that if the battery had been near Belle-Alliance, the crest on which it in reality stood would nearly have blocked the shots towards the allied ridge. For that reason, the battery HAD to advance.



taken  from nix satellite 6 km map with factor 1.8
pic 1 from road Belle Alliance
pic 2 more advance of road (perhaps better more advance)

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Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #26 le: 01 avril 2011, 17:44:07 pm »
Nice !

But what are those mountains on the horizon ? There's nothing like that in Belgium.  :shock: :shock: :shock:

I know you can't do anything about it, but knowing our "plat pays" (flat country), it's a bit funny.

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Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #27 le: 02 mai 2011, 12:15:59 pm »
D'Erlon attack.
Perhaps is better use 6km nix map,for screen step by step.(there is more rooms)

some pics (map 10 km)
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Re : Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #28 le: 02 mai 2011, 20:26:16 pm »
Nice !

But what are those mountains on the horizon ? There's nothing like that in Belgium.  :shock: :shock: :shock:

I know you can't do anything about it, but knowing our "plat pays" (flat country), it's a bit funny.

Much more funny this  mountains looks at flat Borodino field :D
Glinka F.N. The memoirs of  Borodino battle. - "...screams of commanders and howls of despair on ten different languages was drowned by cannonade and drumbeat..."

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Re : Re : Where was Grand Battery at Waterloo ?
« Réponse #29 le: 02 mai 2011, 20:33:24 pm »
D'Erlon attack.
Perhaps is better use 6km nix map,for screen step by step.(there is more rooms)

some pics (map 10 km)

Your screens looks different? New MOD?
Alf you play Waterloo with RC6 patch?
Glinka F.N. The memoirs of  Borodino battle. - "...screams of commanders and howls of despair on ten different languages was drowned by cannonade and drumbeat..."