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Is it true...?
« le: 29 mars 2010, 15:56:33 pm »
I'm just reading the memoirs of General Marbot for the first time.  What a good story teller he is.  Did they have ghost writers in those days or was he a real raconteur?  Anyway, he has this great story about escorting Austrian cavalry brigade to a surrender in 1805.  During it he says that in the Austrian army the Hussars were hungarian, the Dragoons were germans, and the Uhlans were polish.   Is it true?

btw, I've wondered about organising a recording of Marbot for www.librivox.org   They have pity few Napoloenic books on audio.
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Re : Is it true...?
« Réponse #1 le: 29 mars 2010, 16:57:46 pm »
was he a real raconteur?  Anyway, he has this great story about escorting Austrian cavalry brigade to a surrender in 1805.  During it he says that in the Austrian army the Hussars were hungarian, the Dragoons were germans, and the Uhlans were polish.   Is it true?

If you consider the origin of these branches of arms, they surely are. But remember that "German", in the Austrian Army, means "Austrian" (and not from "Germany" - which didn't exist, anyhow), as opposed to Hungarian.

Apart from that, Marbot is a nice  storyteller, but NOT a reliable historical source !

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« Réponse #2 le: 29 mars 2010, 18:49:04 pm »
If you consider the origin of these branches of arms, they surely are. But remember that "German", in the Austrian Army, means "Austrian" (and not from "Germany" - which didn't exist, anyhow), as opposed to Hungarian.

Apart from that, Marbot is a nice  storyteller, but NOT a reliable historical source !

I couldn't have put it better myself, the lancers or Uhlans were usually from Galicia or Bohemia - a Polish province under Austrian rule...and in the Austrian Army there were never better Hussars than the flamboyant Hungarian ones... - had the Hungarians only be more cooperative and raised more troops for their emperor - it would have made a difference...

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« Réponse #3 le: 02 avril 2010, 09:41:30 am »
for their emperor

For their king, you mean, I suppose.  ;)

The Emperor was king of Hungary, if I am right.

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« Réponse #4 le: 02 avril 2010, 18:20:35 pm »
For their king, you mean, I suppose.  ;)

The Emperor was king of Hungary, if I am right.

You are of course right about this, but being an Austrian (from the "german" part, I only mention the "Emperor" !   ;))
the official change from "kk" (kaiserlich königlich)  to k.u.k, which added the then independent Hungary officially to the Austrian Empire and didn't only see it as a mere province any longer  happened only after 1848 and the big revolution in Austria, after that the Emperor of Austria had the title: Emperor of Austria AND King of Hungary  (k.u.k) - which somewhat satisfied the Hungarians  ;)

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