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HistWar (English zone) => General discussions => Discussion démarrée par: Montecuccoli le 23 novembre 2013, 16:21:47 pm

Titre: 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Montecuccoli le 23 novembre 2013, 16:21:47 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4hUKfN_v1I

pre order at:

http://www.histwargames.com/boutique/en/   :mrgreen:
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: abarlow17 le 24 novembre 2013, 05:47:24 am
I really liked Histwar Les Grognards ( I bought the second tier) and it was the most expensive game I ever bought (approx US $90.00). Now I have looked at the new store and seen the new prices for Histwar Napoleon and it just seems even more out of my reach. The lowest most basic version "Brigadier General" version (again is US $) will be $60.00. Next up with PDF and forum access added "Division General" version will be US $120.00 and then "Colonial General" verison with "Wellington" and design input (this is really the one I would like) is a staggering US $256.00 and then there are levels even higher than this. I stopped at the third because it was just so extraordinarily expensive. I have supported this  game the best I can over the years with suggestions and a few of you long time guys may remember me back in the day. I am sorry but I cannot see myself spending anymore than US $100.00 (which I have been holding onto to see about getting this). I am sorry to say that being Euro currency really hurts us in the USA. I was really looking forward to this and seeing these prices almost makes me want to cry. Thanks for the good times. I think I will be passing this time round as financially I am worse off than I was when I bought the first game so I have to watch my money much more carefully. Good luck.

Reisman17
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: JMM le 24 novembre 2013, 09:46:01 am
Hi Sir,

For the USA, the price game (General Brigade) is around $47.07... (rate 1€ = $1.36; without VAT)
I am no sure this price is very expensive for this kind of game because you can spend several hundreds (thousands) hours on it.. no just some battles...
The other editions are to support the team, like Quickstarter concept... no more...

Thank you for your comment.

JMM
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Franciscus le 24 novembre 2013, 09:52:36 am
The problem is the present circunstancies ...the crisis is very real, specially here in Portugal...
Back in 2009 I had no issue buying the big box. Now realistically I can only afford the brigadier general version, although I wished I could help more.

Anyhow, it's preordered.

Regards
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: JMM le 24 novembre 2013, 10:00:20 am
Hello all...

I can understand... Your support is important, even if you get the cheapest edition.. Thank a lot for that... really...
That said, I have to correct the bad informations about the $ price... but I know the crisis is in our countries !

HistWar Team.
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: sandman le 24 novembre 2013, 10:22:59 am
Hi Sir,
...
The other editions are to support the team, like Quickstarter concept... no more...

Thank you for your comment.

JMM


OK, so far. But providing a Basic-Version with a PDF-Manual and a Forum-Access for me is a minimum-standard. This cannot be just an additional support for the Histwar-Team, since those are rather necessairy attributes to get in an adequate comfort of the game itself.

BTW i ordered HW:N General Brigadier, but i hope that i will receive a PDF Manual somewhen and get access to a community-forum, like i am used to since joining Histwar at the beginning of Les Grognards.

Greetings
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: [NBC]Friant le 24 novembre 2013, 10:37:10 am
Citer
I can understand... Your support is important, even if you get the cheapest edition.. Thank a lot for that... really...
That said, I have to correct the bad informations about the $ price... but I know the crisis is in our countries !
Hello JMM and team, I too have taken the cheapest option.
The reality of the situation is that this will probably be the only Napoleonic game of this type, this is what the hardcore enthusiast will be playing imo... with the ability to build battles and play campaigns the pleasure will far outweigh the cost. I cannot see any big gaming company making a game like this for such a small pool of players, and what they do make will only be made to please a majority fan base, ie very basic and very arcade.
The reason for my post is that with a team and time spent to build this game I think we all realise that somewhere along the line these things cost money, have you thought about opening a donation button on the forum?
I think you will find quite a few who would donate regularly if that is what it takes to keep this game moving forward, and hopefully reaching all the goals you have specified.
Although we have seen screenshots and short videos we are still not quite sure what to expect... therefore more hesitancy in spending the big bucks maybe.
Anyway goodluck, hope sales more than match your targets and looking forward to getting my HWN.  ;)
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Bruguière le 24 novembre 2013, 10:44:15 am
We histwarians, have different financial means, but we share the passion of an era and the game that makes him the best tribute. So I am sure we will continue this adventure, each up to its potential (I ordered the "General Division" version). ;)

I agree the idea of ​​a "donation" button !!! :D :D
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: stephen le 24 novembre 2013, 12:01:47 pm
Like many people I'm having to make my money stretch, it is a pity that the game is being released at the most expensive time of year, even the cheapest option is out of reach for the time being.
I noticed you are giving a discount for people who pre order, could this not be extended to all those who bought Histwars? As I said at present I am not in a position to buy the game prior to release, but maybe sometime next year, anyway thought I would ask. Thank's again for your time and commitment to producing a fine game.
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Gunner24 le 24 novembre 2013, 15:55:19 pm
I have ordered the "cheapest" version and will have no hesitation in paying more in a year from now for "Wellington" if all goes well with this grand adventure.  I saw an advert on tv for an xbox1 game, it was over 50 pounds !!!!!......compared to that HW|N is great value for money.

Normally I would like a hard copy of the manual, but in this case, I already have it for HWLG so don't feel I need an updated one for N.

I do wonder now and then, if a special HW server for MP could be funded via a monthly subscription, maybe something to think about in 2015 after "Wellington" is here ???.  I know for sure if there was an active MP Community I would have no issue with a reasonable monthly cost - but of course, what is reasonable ?.
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Théodoricus le 24 novembre 2013, 16:40:28 pm
@ JMM,

If I understand, you can not have access to the Forum HW-N if you only buy ''Général de Brigade'' pack.
If I'm right, does that mean that Modders can not exchange with other players and have information (creation of satellite maps and so on) to create scenarios especially for HW-N game and can not publish their creations ?
What differences there will be between the HW-LG Forum and HW-N Forum ?

Theo
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: antiochus le 24 novembre 2013, 18:11:19 pm
 I know I am going to purchase this game. I am not sure what level my " boss " hasn't told me yet :D.

 But, I do have a question.

 Will the AI in the new game not move all of it's army around now when playing a historical battle?

 The only problem I ever had was not being able to play a battle historically.

Thanks
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: thilio le 24 novembre 2013, 18:18:11 pm
the expression 'access to HWN forum' is changed to 'access to Forum Etat-Major' i think (you see when you get into package details) ... but still dont know what it means as i wondered that too to decide about packages ... was planing a ColGen before i got the GdD finally this morning ...

some insight about this Etat-Major forum

http://www.histwar.org/forum/index.php/topic,7594.msg100664.html#msg100664
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Théodoricus le 24 novembre 2013, 18:33:43 pm
some insight about this Etat-Major forum

http://www.histwar.org/forum/index.php/topic,7594.msg100664.html#msg100664
Thanks thilio.

Nevertheless, I would like to have an answer to this question :
If we buy the ''Général de Brigade'' or the ''Général de Division'' packages, does that mean that Modders can not exchange with other players and have information from the HW-Napoleon's team (creation of satellite maps and so on) to create scenarios especially for HW-N game and can not publish their creations ?

Théo
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: JMM le 24 novembre 2013, 19:55:21 pm
Thanks thilio.

Nevertheless, I would like to have an answer to this question :
If we buy the ''Général de Brigade'' or the ''Général de Division'' packages, does that mean that Modders can not exchange with other players and have information from the HW-Napoleon's team (creation of satellite maps and so on) to create scenarios especially for HW-N game and can not publish their creations ?

Théo

Modders have a special status so they can exchange with the team using a special Forum.
Like Forum Grenadier for HW:LGdN, there will be a special Forum for HW:N. It's a bonus.
Maybe I have to include this feature in the "General de Division"... OK.. I do... (just not immediately because yet there are some important tasks)

JMM
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Théodoricus le 24 novembre 2013, 20:04:29 pm
Modders have a special status so they can exchange with the team using a special Forum.
Like Forum Grenadier for HW:LGdN, there will be a special Forum for HW:N. It's a bonus.
Maybe I have to include this feature in the "General de Division"... OK.. I do... (just not immediately because yet there are some important tasks)

JMM
Allright JMM, and many thanks for this important decision that will rejoice some faithful Grognards ! :D

Théo
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: [NBC]Friant le 24 novembre 2013, 20:27:26 pm
Citer
Like Forum Grenadier for HW:LGdN, there will be a special Forum for HW:N. It's a bonus.
Maybe I have to include this feature in the "General de Division"... OK.. I do... (just not immediately because yet there are some important tasks)
Ah, wish I had known, would have probably gone for this version...  ;) Nevermind...
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Duke of Earl le 26 novembre 2013, 00:17:31 am
I really liked Histwar Les Grognards ( I bought the second tier) and it was the most expensive game I ever bought (approx US $90.00). Now I have looked at the new store and seen the new prices for Histwar Napoleon and it just seems even more out of my reach. The lowest most basic version "Brigadier General" version (again is US $) will be $60.00. Next up with PDF and forum access added "Division General" version will be US $120.00 and then "Colonial General" verison with "Wellington" and design input (this is really the one I would like) is a staggering US $256.00 and then there are levels even higher than this. I stopped at the third because it was just so extraordinarily expensive. I have supported this  game the best I can over the years with suggestions and a few of you long time guys may remember me back in the day. I am sorry but I cannot see myself spending anymore than US $100.00 (which I have been holding onto to see about getting this). I am sorry to say that being Euro currency really hurts us in the USA. I was really looking forward to this and seeing these prices almost makes me want to cry. Thanks for the good times. I think I will be passing this time round as financially I am worse off than I was when I bought the first game so I have to watch my money much more carefully. Good luck.

Reisman17

Bonjour abarlow17 and especially JMM,

Me too.  Good-bye, Adios, Vaya Con Dios, Adieu, Au Revoir, Bonnne Voyage:  Bonne chance avec votre nouveau démographique, car maqny de vos Grognards fidèles en ont assez de la retraite de Russie (une métaphore) .... Je ne suis pas l'un des élites à qui vous répondre maintenant, tout simplement un humble soldat usé par le temps .... Ce soir, j'ai lu que Aristote, Platon, Socrate et les Evangiles, un temps plus enrichissante et agréable .... adieu mon ami :(

Cordialement, DoE
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Simon le 26 novembre 2013, 20:19:53 pm
I would like to buy and support this release, to which purpose I simply ask: will it work properly?

Graphical and behavioural aberrations have meant that I got out of the original game are a few tests. It was never possible to simulate a battle to the accuracy of a board wargame because crazy stuff would happen all the time - like a whole battalion surrendering, then escaping to fight again. Pretty weird stuff and easily enough to invalidate the results of a carefully devised strategy.

Now, I don't mind so much having just contributing financially to the development of such a unique game with exciting potential but I would like assurance that this new release is the fulfilment of that potential and can be played without obvious gross errors. The marketing pages are littered with typographical errors, so there is some cause for worry.

The new game certainly looks up to date now; sounds, I don't know - they are curiously missing from the sample videos. Mention of a revised user interface is very welcome, even if we have to wait a while. If it has been done well, I'm sure it will entice many more buyers.

I know how hard these systems are to program and how many hours are needed to achieve the smallest results or overcome technical issues. Given this and past frustrations, I will hope to be the strongest advocate for the new game if and when it delivers the full promise for which we have hoped over the years.

Allez et bon chance...
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Tirailleur le 27 novembre 2013, 09:55:57 am
Ok, let us compare some of the coming titles and new ones.

Here are the prices from an all known shopping platform:

Battlefield 4 (~ 60$)
Titanfall (~60$)
Assassin’s Creed IV Black Flag (~60$)
Total War: Rome 2 (~60$)

The new edition HW: Napoleon is improved over LG and better than the listed games.

You can list also the cheaper ones, but as JMM said: You get a simulation with several hundred (thousands) hours of Napoleonic warfare at its best.

So, if you have not the money yet, x-mas is near. You don’t find any better simulation of the Napoleonic era in the near future.
And yes, support the team to honor their work and make the best Napoleonic game even better.
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: stephen le 27 novembre 2013, 12:16:59 pm
I agree that Histwars is the best Napoleonic simulation game around, what other game can field armies of 250,000 men ? or has the depth of play ? It is unfortunate that the game will only appeal to a minority of people who are interested in this era.
Most people want a console type game where a battle is over in minutes, there is no depth to these games, and they have no appeal to me. Like you say Xmas is coming, which is the reason I can't buy this game at present, it is very good value for money, but all mine is spent ! So I will be looking on with envy and reading all about Hist wars Napoleon without the chance to play the game at this time. But good things come to those that wait, or save in my case.
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: zu Pferd le 30 novembre 2013, 00:31:20 am
We histwarians, have different financial means, but we share the passion of an era and the game that makes him the best tribute. So I am sure we will continue this adventure, each up to its potential (I ordered the "General Division" version). ;)

I agree the idea of ​​a "donation" button !!! :D :D
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: thilio le 30 novembre 2013, 12:25:44 pm
Modders have a special status so they can exchange with the team using a special Forum.
Like Forum Grenadier for HW:LGdN, there will be a special Forum for HW:N. It's a bonus.
Maybe I have to include this feature in the "General de Division"... OK.. I do... (just not immediately because yet there are some important tasks)

JMM

Thanks for that JMM.
I guess the "General de Division" package is much more attractive now!
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Théodoricus le 30 novembre 2013, 13:06:29 pm
thanks for the Edition revision JMM ... done i think.
No, after a look this morning, the mention, as said below, has'nt been added by JMM on the french store.
Citer
Modders have a special status so they can exchange with the team using a special Forum.
Like Forum Grenadier for HW:LGdN, there will be a special Forum for HW:N. It's a bonus.
Maybe I have to include this feature in the "General de Division"... OK.. I do... (just not immediately because yet there are some important tasks)
JMM

Théo
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: JMM le 30 novembre 2013, 13:20:58 pm
No, after a look this morning, the mention, as said below, has'nt been added by JMM on the french store.
Théo

Maybe the cache of your tool...

Citer
L'édition «Général de Division» contient :

    Edition Support du Team HistWar

     HistWar : Napoleon : le jeu
     Editeur de cartes
     Editeur d'armées
     Editeur de doctrines
     3 pdf (concept du jeu, éditeurs,  caractéristiques des armées)
     Voir les Caractéristiques du Jeu
    Jeu à télécharger
    Accès à chaque mise à jour du jeu
    Evolution gratuite vers toutes les versions suivantes (Eylau... Victory)
    Acces Forum Etat-Major
    Nom dans les crédits du jeu
    Manuel pdf des Règles commentées (à la sortie du jeu)
    Rencontres vocales mensuelles avec l'équipe de développement (à partir de Mai 2014)

 Sorry if I don't answer to your questions... Very soon because I am a bit busy... Why ?  I don't know  :smile:
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Théodoricus le 30 novembre 2013, 17:00:28 pm
Maybe the cache of your tool...
That's right : ''Accès Forum Etat-Major'' has been added now.
Thanks JMM. I know you are very busy.

Théo
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: John1815 le 30 novembre 2013, 17:41:58 pm
Hi all, I've been away from HW waiting for the AI patch and have some questions.

What new features will HW2 have over HW1 ?

"Five levels of artificial intelligence - The division and brigade AI will be implemented in the Eylau version"   is this the state of HW1 now or is this new AI ?

Will HW1 AI be patched to HW2 and Eylau level ?

And I presume Eylau will be an addon ?

Thanks
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: JMM le 30 novembre 2013, 17:58:41 pm
Hi all, I've been away from HW waiting for the AI patch and have some questions.
What new features will HW2 have over HW1 ?
"Five levels of artificial intelligence - The division and brigade AI will be implemented in the Eylau version"   is this the state of HW1 now or is this new AI ?
Will HW1 AI be patched to HW2 and Eylau level ?
And I presume Eylau will be an addon ?
Thanks

Eylau is not an addon but a new version (no extra-charge)
From Eylau, there will be some differences.. but the AIs themselves (GT,Corps,Division,Brigade,Regiment) will be identical.
Today, internal engine of HW:N and HW:LGdN are identical.

JMM

Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: John1815 le 30 novembre 2013, 18:31:17 pm
So will  The division and brigade AI will be implemented in a HW:LGdN patch ?
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: JMM le 30 novembre 2013, 18:38:16 pm
So will  The division and brigade AI will be implemented in a HW:LGdN patch ?

Yes, there will be...

Citer
but the AIs themselves (GT,Corps,Division,Brigade,Regiment) will be identical.

Sorry if it is not understandable

JMM
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: John1815 le 30 novembre 2013, 18:42:05 pm
Thanks for clearing that up.
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Simon le 03 décembre 2013, 00:52:02 am
2nd of December..... the march begins.

It didn't.
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: von_Clausewitz le 03 décembre 2013, 07:42:52 am
2nd of December..... the march begins.

It didn't.

Small technical error that will be quickly solved. Sorry for the delay....

VC
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: von_Clausewitz le 03 décembre 2013, 07:59:45 am
I understand the concern of many about the pricing for the game in these rough financial times.
I just ask you to consider the following:

What other game/simulation out there offers the same for less?
For the most basic product that is around 50$, you are getting a map editor, an order of battle editor, a doctrine editor, a scenario editor and a campaign editor. I am not aware of any other game giving the player all these tools to guarantee unlimited potential.

This is not counting the fact that there is no game out there that offers the same scope. One similar game relating to the civil war comes to mind, offering one battle, fought piecemeal, with sprites, without any editors for roughly 30$ with each little add on later on costing 10-20$.

Also most of you know that Histwar will not be released and abandoned, you know the dedication with which JMM has taken feedback and acted upon it.

In the long run, one looking at the big picture, Histwar:Napoleon is cheap.

Wellington will be sold as an add on because a specific AI is planned for the British army that will take into account their style of fighting, so you are not buying just textures.

A small disclaimer: the above is my own personal opinion and not the Histwar team's necessarily.

A donate button is a good idea.

Looking forward to working with you guys on the new interface.

VC
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: [NBC]Friant le 03 décembre 2013, 09:40:50 am
Good to hear from you VC. When the dust has settled and we are playing HWN I would like to hear what you have planned for the OOB editor. The reason being I think this will be used by more players as a tool for playing campaigns and this will be where the OOB editor will be very important to us. Anyway, I understand you are all busy at the moment and I am not talking about straight way but at some point perhaps we can open a topic on this subject?

Regards Friant.
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: sandman le 03 décembre 2013, 09:43:27 am
I understand the concern of many about the pricing for the game in these rough financial times.
I just ask you to consider the following:

What other game/simulation out there offers the same for less?
For the most basic product that is around 50$, you are getting a map editor, an order of battle editor, a doctrine editor, a scenario editor and a campaign editor. I am not aware of any other game giving the player all these tools to guarantee unlimited potential.

This is not counting the fact that there is no game out there that offers the same scope. One similar game relating to the civil war comes to mind, offering one battle, fought piecemeal, with sprites, without any editors for roughly 30$ with each little add on later on costing 10-20$.

Also most of you know that Histwar will not be released and abandoned, you know the dedication with which JMM has taken feedback and acted upon it.

In the long run, one looking at the big picture, Histwar:Napoleon is cheap.

Wellington will be sold as an add on because a specific AI is planned for the British army that will take into account their style of fighting, so you are not buying just textures.

A small disclaimer: the above is my own personal opinion and not the Histwar team's necessarily.

A donate button is a good idea.

Looking forward to working with you guys on the new interface.

VC


Just 2 comments:

The price isnt that much concerning to comparable products in the niche market of high realism games. There are games with very rudimentary graphics, but high level realism and plenty of depth in details, which cost up to 90 $. HW: N now obviously offers both - awesome graphics and multi-level AI providing an outstanding standart in authentincity.

I remember times a few decades ago, when it was very common that people saved money upon an upcoming purchase. For most people it should probably be possible to save 5 or 10 bucks each month.
Others in such hard hidden regions, who even have to give away their children for a certain time to keep up their living definitively have to set priorities. A crisis wouldnt be a crisis if our current sorrow was about not being able to effort and play a computergame immediately.
Hopefully that makes us learn to understand economics and money better and vote governments who not make just promises based on interests. And so the circle gets completed cos this has got something to do with not fullfilling more wishes than effordable in a certain time, but setting priorities and saving continously to achieve a target.
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Montecuccoli le 03 décembre 2013, 10:01:41 am
2nd December... the march begins.... yes i know it did not yet... but HistWar portaits even the "delay of order"

no problem at all guys.... we will blame Bernadotte for that  :mrgreen:

JMM is working 24hrs a day to solve this annoying little problem  ;)
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Lancier le 03 décembre 2013, 10:02:48 am
nice one sir !   :lol:
...but HistWar portaits even the "delay of order"

no problem at all guys.... we will blame Bernadotte for that  :mrgreen:
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: abarlow17 le 03 décembre 2013, 15:39:53 pm
When I started this topic it was to show how expensive the  game is overall. Thanks for the replies however I think it got missed as to what I was trying to get across. The basic game as it stands right now does not seem that different from what we have already. Yes there are new features planned  down the road(AI, new UI etc... ) which looks cool however right now I do not see a big enough difference to warrant spending even $50-60 updating. Yes the basic game is a reasonable price however from there the pricing model just goes crazy in my opinion and wanting to pay extra for those goodies (I have no problem paying some extra at least to me). It appears each add on you choose seems to double the amount of money you pay. A lot  of people  here seem to be buying the base game (good for you) and I can understand why. I would have thought myself that it would have made more sense to have the base version and  then the extra's (e.g PDF manual, Waterloo add-on etc....) could be listed as individual items with prices to reflect their value (e.g PDF manual $5, Waterloo add-on $30). I am not saying these are good prices but I think a lot more sales could  occur if you did not  have to buy these  expensive packages where there may be something you do not want but you still have to buy/pay for it. Kind of reminds me of DirectTV packages. If you want the History channel you have to buy the Gold package with 300 channels even though you only want to watch only that one channel. I think the art to making big sales (in my opinion at least) is make them appear affordable/ good value and you will sell considerably more. I just do not see to justification for the prices. I understand that the team needs money and support. The donate button is a great idea and dependent on what people could donate could help maybe with the prices for the game.  (people that  could support the game strongly could help us poorer people  afford the  game). I have been in a sales business enviroment for 20+ years just to give some basis for my opinions. I wish JMM and the team the best of luck with this new game.  I will still be following the game in the future.

Reisman17
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: von_Clausewitz le 03 décembre 2013, 16:19:18 pm
When I started this topic it was to show how expensive the  game is overall. Thanks for the replies however I think it got missed as to what I was trying to get across. The basic game as it stands right now does not seem that different from what we have already. Yes there are new features planned  down the road(AI, new UI etc... ) which looks cool however right now I do not see a big enough difference to warrant spending even $50-60 updating. Yes the basic game is a reasonable price however from there the pricing model just goes crazy in my opinion and wanting to pay extra for those goodies (I have no problem paying some extra at least to me). It appears each add on you choose seems to double the amount of money you pay. A lot  of people  here seem to be buying the base game (good for you) and I can understand why. I would have thought myself that it would have made more sense to have the base version and  then the extra's (e.g PDF manual, Waterloo add-on etc....) could be listed as individual items with prices to reflect their value (e.g PDF manual $5, Waterloo add-on $30). I am not saying these are good prices but I think a lot more sales could  occur if you did not  have to buy these  expensive packages where there may be something you do not want but you still have to buy/pay for it. Kind of reminds me of DirectTV packages. If you want the History channel you have to buy the Gold package with 300 channels even though you only want to watch only that one channel. I think the art to making big sales (in my opinion at least) is make them appear affordable/ good value and you will sell considerably more. I just do not see to justification for the prices. I understand that the team needs money and support. The donate button is a great idea and dependent on what people could donate could help maybe with the prices for the game.  (people that  could support the game strongly could help us poorer people  afford the  game). I have been in a sales business enviroment for 20+ years just to give some basis for my opinions. I wish JMM and the team the best of luck with this new game.  I will still be following the game in the future.

Reisman17

Hi Reisman,

If I understand you correctly, you are saying there is no difference at the present time between histwar 1 and 2.

It might seem this way maybe gameplay wise at this time but I can assure you these new graphics took about 2 years of work. Thousands of lines of code had to be rewritten.

Also all the sounds have been remade by a sound engineer. The sound quality now is much better.
The AI will be vastly improved, adding brigade/division orders and AI is no small feat.

To be able to help JMM do the new interfaces and editors, I have spent most my free time in the last 6 months making my own user interface library from scratch as the library I had used to make he new launcher could not be used with the rest of the game, so I had to redesign my own library instead of using an already available one which set me back months.

Personally, I wish it would have been feasible to release the game when all the new features were implemented for a full WAW effect but alas, the financial reality dictated otherwise.
We hope to see you back later, you do not want to miss out on the campaign feature and scenarios that are not really available in Histwar1.

Sincerely,
VC
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Montecuccoli le 03 décembre 2013, 16:42:11 pm
thank you Von Clausewitz, those inside are really interesting for the players  :D
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: [NBC]Friant le 03 décembre 2013, 16:48:18 pm
Reisman17, I can see your point, but perhaps another way of looking at it is that you are buying into a game. Ideally everyone would have wanted the game to be the complete package which would have meant probably waiting up to another year, so I for one am glad to get it like this. What you get now will probably be no comparison to what you will end up with towards the end of 2014/15. One thing I have learnt with this game since I first saw it on ---------* (if I remember correctly?) is patience.  I think in the long run it will be well worth the cost as it is now, after all it can be easy to spend 40 - 50 euros on a single night out!, once this is up and running I think gaming hours will far out weigh the cost.
What has now happened with HW will fast become the norm. Lots of developers are doing this sort of thing now where you 'buy in' into a game that you are part of as the development proceeds, ie Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous has raised millions of dollars and still there is no end product as such...

* Dont know why this was deleted?
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Gunner24 le 03 décembre 2013, 17:13:24 pm
Citer
---------*
It is the name of the site where HW was to be developed / launched many years ago I suspect.
It begins with "B" and is the same place I first found HW.

As I can remember, the original "plan" was changed and HW2 will be vastly improved over what HWLG was planned to be as a finished product, so for me, I'm happy to pay the "extra" cost in developing HW over and above what was first planned all those years ago.
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Montecuccoli le 03 décembre 2013, 17:19:00 pm
The "B" is replaced by ------- in the forum, and yes is the place where many of us became aware of HistWar Les Grognards  ;)
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: abarlow17 le 04 décembre 2013, 03:45:28 am
Maybe I just need to see some good you tube videos after release to justify the "investment" before taking the plunge :-). I am much more aware of my financial situation (especially since my wage dropped approx 15k since last year). Hope to see some videos of it in action soon. Good luck all.

Reisman17
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: sandman le 04 décembre 2013, 11:44:54 am
Finally !!!  :shock:

Download of HistWar:Napoleon.exe in Progress - RIGHT NOW  :lol:

I have to confess: I am pretty much excited.  :p
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: SonsofKarios le 04 décembre 2013, 12:10:49 pm
Finally !!!  :shock:

Download of HistWar:Napoleon.exe in Progress - RIGHT NOW  :lol:

I have to confess: I am pretty much excited.  :p

Hello,

Was that using one of the two links in the order email?
I cant seem to get them to work if so  :|

Edit: got the first one working. It seems for me using Chrome, it didn't ask for authentication;I had to try a few times on Mozilla to get it to work.

Thanks,
Sam
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Scots Grey le 04 décembre 2013, 12:14:36 pm
Hi,
Game downloaded and looking good so far. However when selecting the 1/1 ratio the game won't load. Black screen with movable cursor. 1/2 loads ok. Anybody else who has downloaded see this issue?
Cheers
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Romain le 04 décembre 2013, 12:27:06 pm
Hi,
Game downloaded and looking good so far. However when selecting the 1/1 ratio the game won't load. Black screen with movable cursor. 1/2 loads ok. Anybody else who has downloaded see this issue?
Cheers

Hello,

Currently, only scales 1/10 and 1/2 are available in HistWar : Napoléon.

Romain
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: DominiqueT le 04 décembre 2013, 12:30:24 pm
The 1/1 ratio is only for the Friedland version in June.
Have a look here http://www.histwar.org/forum/index.php/topic,7591.0.html

Everything functioning well here, but I don't like that much the "dirty screen" ("dirty binoculars") effect. I know it's a matter of taste, but it would be fine if it were possible to remove it...
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Scots Grey le 04 décembre 2013, 12:35:53 pm
Hi,
Ok thanks for that. Just bought this morning and was lucky to download almost straight away. I just assumed that the 1/1 option was available the same as Les Grognards. Should have paid more attention.  :smile:
Cheers
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: JMM le 04 décembre 2013, 13:18:54 pm
I have to build a new package in order to avoid some restrictions of use...
a) scale 1/1 isn't implemented,
b) on the first run, only the tutorial must be displayed,
c) on the first run, a bad map is selected.
With the pressure to quickly give you a package, I forgot to adjust some parameters...
That said, I think this first package runs fine...
Sorry...

Je dois proposer un nouveau package pour éviter des restrictions d'utilisation
a) echelle 1/1 n'est pas implémentée,
b) la première fois, seul le tutorial doit être affiché,
c) la première fois, une carte inexistante est sélectionnée
Avec la pression de ces derniers jours pour délivrer ce package, j'ai oublié d'ajuster quelques paramètres...
Désolé...

JMM
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: DominiqueT le 04 décembre 2013, 13:54:01 pm
Merci beaucoup.
Je voudrais signaler à ceux qui ne sont  pas très familiarisés avec l'informatique qu'il existe un risque que votre antivirus émette des doutes au sujet du fichier HistWar-Napoleon-Install.exe et qu'il veuille l'effacer. La raison en est que le fichier est récent et donc inconnu.
Il va de soi que vous devez passer outre ces restrictions.

I would like to warn you that some antiviruses might express doubts about the file HistWar-Napoleon-Install.exe and would want to delete it. That is because the file is new and therefore unknown. Just proceed.
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Pistol-Pete le 04 décembre 2013, 15:04:38 pm
Links does not work...
I get error 404 on ths second one after  typing password..

Please help!
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: JMM le 04 décembre 2013, 15:08:49 pm
Links does not work...
I get error 404 on ths second one after  typing password..
Please help!

Just now ? because the package have been uploaded 5 hours ago... and double checked...
Could you send me a copy of email with the addresses to PM of this forum.

THX
JMM
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: DominiqueT le 04 décembre 2013, 15:09:29 pm
Weir, because you don't have to  give a password to download.
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Pistol-Pete le 04 décembre 2013, 15:24:00 pm
These are the links..
....

edited

Sorry Links for download are available ONLY for those who ordered the game  ;)

and they must keep private
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: bobbysocks le 04 décembre 2013, 15:24:24 pm
Just downloaded and installed. However, game crashes whenever I try to set it at full screen. I get to the first menu, then the game just shuts down. Anyone else experiencing this?
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: bobbysocks le 04 décembre 2013, 15:27:06 pm
It won't run in small screen either. I can access the menu for a few seconds, but as soon as I try to change anything or run the program, it shuts down.
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Pistol-Pete le 04 décembre 2013, 15:33:10 pm
How did you download? Are you using the same links as me? Tried  mozilla, chrome and explorer....
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: bobbysocks le 04 décembre 2013, 16:20:55 pm
Ok, I sorted it out. It was the antivirus program that shut the game down. But i found a new problem:
I set up a battle, but the artillery was not visible in 3D, though I could see the effects of artillery fire but no sound. There is no sound  either of cavalry moving or marching steps of infantry. Orders where heard however, as well as drums, but nothing else.
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: bobbysocks le 04 décembre 2013, 16:23:49 pm
Pistol Pete: I downloaded from the likn provided in the email. The installation went without problem as far as I could tell, and after installation I registered the key. Then everything started fine, but as I mentioned - no artillery on the maps and no in game sound other than orders, background-sound and drums. I´m going to try to re-install and see if things work better.

EDIT: I reinstalled and the sounds work ok, I think you have to try to run the game immediately after installation (and thereby register) in order to make the sounds work.  but now the games crashes due to "internal error IA", as soon as some kind of fighting starts.
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: DominiqueT le 04 décembre 2013, 17:19:16 pm
These are the links..

sorry i deleted links again  ;)
These are not the links given in the e-mail. At least not in the one I got.
Read carefully. (or do a cut/paste)
Titre: Re : Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Scots Grey le 04 décembre 2013, 17:28:49 pm
Pistol Pete: I downloaded from the likn provided in the email. The installation went without problem as far as I could tell, and after installation I registered the key. Then everything started fine, but as I mentioned - no artillery on the maps and no in game sound other than orders, background-sound and drums. I´m going to try to re-install and see if things work better.

EDIT: I reinstalled and the sounds work ok, I think you have to try to run the game immediately after installation (and thereby register) in order to make the sounds work.  but now the games crashes due to "internal error IA", as soon as some kind of fighting starts.

Also getting "internal error IA" message.
Hopefully any issues are minor and easily fixed.
I'm going back to Les Gognards for the time being.
Cheers
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Pistol-Pete le 04 décembre 2013, 18:11:52 pm
Got new links that worked. Thanks!
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Doyley le 04 décembre 2013, 21:36:31 pm
I haven't been able to download with those links either, just error messages. I shall take a headache tablet and hopefully things will be better in the morning.....
Titre: Re : 2nd of December..... the march begins
Posté par: Count Miloradovich le 04 décembre 2013, 21:56:43 pm
Links are good BUT with some messager tools, click on them don't send the good address to the browser...
You have to copy/past the address into the box of your browser to get a right result...
Sorry.. I have to add this kind of message in the email..



Les liens sont corrects mais avec quelques gestionnaire de messagerie, cliquez sur eux ne génère pas la bonne adresse dans le navigateur.
Dans ce cas, vous devez faire un copié/collé de l'adresse dans la fenetre du navigateur.
Désolé.. Je ne peux qu'ajouter un message dans le email pour avertissement

JMM