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HistWar (international zone) => Communities => ATG/HWLG Campaign => Discussion démarrée par: gazfun le 01 novembre 2013, 12:29:56 pm
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During the campaign we will have battles for anyone to play here, we make up the battles, and if you are the first to complete the battle against a friend played by Multiplay online please post the results in the forum for that battle, that will be made as we go.
You have to nominate who your friend will be that will fight the battle, its simple :D
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Situation: Battle to be fought. August 1806
Messena has moved to attack Mack in Nothern Italy forces are evenly matched.
Have a look at the Map Strategic situation, and let us know if you and a friend want to fight it?
OOB are
France Army of Italy “Messena”
3rd Corps “Ney”
42 CEH
4th Corps “Bernodotte”
41 CEH
5th Corps “Grouchy”
41 CEH
7th Corps “Suchet”
41 CEH
9th Corps “McDonald
16 CEH
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Here is the Austrian Forces who has started in a defensive situation of Mantua
Austria Army of Italy “Mack”
Austria deployment “Mantua”
2nd Gren Corps commander Colerado
23 CEH
1st Cav Corps “Leichestein”
15 CEH
2nd Cav Corps “Ruess- Plauen”
8 CEH
1st Corps “Davidovich”
30 CEH
2nd Corps “Hessen-Homburg”
29 CEH
3rd Corps “Klenau”
29 CEH
4th Corps Commander Alvincy
28 CEH
5th Corps “Hohenzollern”
23 CEH
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30km Google Campaign map defined as contact area, and to be modified by Map editor. To be posted soon!
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Hey mate Iam sooo keen to get in on all this, looks like u guys have really put a lot of work into this, Just need a opponent and a bit of guidance on how to go about tings, for instance are the maps and oobs made up for battle by the players takin part in ze battle? I really hope this gets rolling, if anyone else keen to do battle with me iam NZ based UCT +12 hopefully some filthy Aussies about
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Hi Picton
Ok we are keen as well. We prefer to have battle that have a story behind them, in a campaign. One off battle are fun too, but when there is a campaign behind it, its more fun
Im trying to load the OOB and Map on the Depot here, at the moment.
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Battle for Mantua http://www.histwar.org/mods/file.php?id=228 (http://www.histwar.org/mods/file.php?id=228)
Please submit results for the battle here showing the A "analyse screen showing Final CEH and end of Game screen, for both armies
Thanks
Gazfun
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awesome mate just need a opponent now, so any one out there keen to rock iam ready to roll.
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Works perfectly thats sat morning for me lock me in mate. will it be tcp? or email?
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Who ever plays Austria, you will have to move troops north of the river, before you start as some Austrian Forces can start on the south side of the river
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Who ever plays Austria, you will have to move troops north of the river, before you start as some Austrian Forces can start on the south side of the river
No worries will do mate
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This battle taken for Picton and Lancier to complete. This should be completed via TCP this week.
Thanks guys please load info of battle results as outlined in previous posts
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Congratulations. Picton and Lancier :smile:
Thanks guys good work, is there a Austria final CEH stats or maybe I could get the save file so we cab get those figures?
we need these figuires for the Campaign
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Yeah good game mate really enjoyed it, however the river thing was bit of a bug because i had deployed all my men north of the river (all hundy odd thousand in about a square mile) and gradually 10000 merry men and 2 batts had transported back to other side in the first 20 mins of play, last and worst of all my HQ zapped over to the other side, although i was soundly beaten and not sure if those extra men would of made a diff well played lancier, Ill upload the replay if you guys want just not sure where its kept is it the save file? Apologies to Austrian Commander.
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Well done guys, thanks again to you both
Hope you enjoyed the battle.
Was all ok, the map etc.
OOB are as we make up due to the Campaign we are fighting.
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Hey fellers yeah battle was really fun big map lots of men, French arty was outstanding pretty much stumped any move i had, and yeah whoever's playing Austria needs ta give whats left of the grenadiers an extra ration of rum, if they had not held town as long as they did lancier could of rolled up my disorganized lines very easily, just a couple of things, i think if gonna have rivers on maps they should have some form of crossing even if not intended to be used, also not sure if lancier had same prob but my start point was tiny (partially because the river cut it in half) but to squeeze hundy thousand into the area was major issue made initial planing very hard as first 15 mins of play was untangling corps, but yeah fairly minor points, love the way these battles got back storys and futures with your campaign system makes 5 hour games very enjoyable, yeah cheers lancier you held in there too mate so more than happy to do it again with ya and this campaign, (hope mack doesnt get court martial-ed).
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Guys for your interest the casualties will work out this way.
The difference between France start of 128206 reduced to the new potential figure 93604 end of battle is 27% Casualties
And Austria is 118926 reduce to the new potential figure of 47044 is only 47%
France Start of 181 CEH Less 27% that’s down to 132 CEH
Austria Start of 185 CEH Less 47% that’s down to 98 CEH
The "new potential" number is recovery of routed, injured, desertion of units and the end of the battle, and more are recovered by troops that have not yet left the field of battle.
As Messena got a strategic victory therefore controlling the battlefield makes a differance in the final figures.
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sorry trying to understand tho i know new potential is used but:
from end game screens it shows France goes from 128206 to 93604 (initial to new potential) and Austria goes from 118926 to 63916 (initial to new potential) not 47044 (final strength) ? so we take into account the final strength of Austria instead of new potential cause Messena got a strategic victory ?
My mistake we take Austria to the New Potential as well to 63916 which 47% not reduced to 47044 (My error which would be more casualties)
Losses are translated to CEH from at start
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Update of Test Campaign
As the Italian States are also at war with Austria, they moved into Mantua, before Messena was able to move in.
As seen here Messena has moved up to Venice now.
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gazfun after we get results from HWN how we reflect final CEHs to ATG? modify some game files?
The percentage of casulaties from the New potential from HWN as you know from our HWLG battle of Mantua just resently.
All the ATG Values are translated as CEH. We add Infantry Artillery, and Cavalry Guard Points from each corps to the total. After a battle the results from the HWN battle as described are deducted from the ATG Army, as casualties and transferred to a new Corps called a "Dead Corps or Casualty Corps named after the battle. This works in the interim for now.
I am trying to find the code in the ATG engine to be able to remove these casualties from the game by making an "Event Card" which will do so
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The percentage of casulaties from the New potential from HWN as you know from our HWLG battle of Mantua just resently.
All the ATG Values are translated as CEH. We add Infantry Artillery, and Cavalry Guard Points from each corps to the total. After a battle the results from the HWN battle as described are deducted from the ATG Army, as casualties and transferred to a new Corps called a "Dead Corps or Casualty Corps named after the battle. This works in the interim for now.
I am trying to find the code in the ATG engine to be able to remove these casualties from the game by making an "Event Card" which will do so
An event card has been coded and made as part of the Game engine now, which will also be messaged to other players that this has been done.
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Future battle links will be posted in there own thread, with a link here, and files from the depot
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Hello gazfun, I MIGHT be able to help Lancier fight some MP battles now and then, I can also help him with OOB building, but (as you know) my first priority is EW for NBC, so if it's OK with you, I can be a background Russian Army Commander assisting Lancier's Russian Army as and when possible.
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Hello gazfun, I MIGHT be able to help Lancier fight some MP battles now and then, I can also help him with OOB building, but (as you know) my first priority is EW for NBC, so if it's OK with you, I can be a background Russian Army Commander assisting Lancier's Russian Army as and when possible.
Gday Gunner how are you mate?
yeah ok thats cool, Ill put you in as an Army Commander in Russia
Cheers
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Gday Gunner how are you mate?
OK here thanks, waiting for this wet winter to go away and sun re-appear in the sky so the golf course is fit to use.
yeah ok thats cool, Ill put you in as an Army Commander in Russia
Thanks, I have some Russian OOBs that might be useful - with a little editing.
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Thanks, I have some Russian OOBs that might be useful - with a little editing.
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Ok the total CEH f0r an Army can vary, max is 200 CEH
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OK here thanks, waiting for this wet winter to go away and sun re-appear in the sky so the golf course is fit to use.
Thanks, I have some Russian OOBs that might be useful - with a little editing.
The variation may change from one ATG OOB to the next, you may also have to watch this
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picton26 said he can be an army commander for Prussia (http://www.histwar.org/forum/index.php/topic,6921.0.html) ...
Ok got it
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30km Google Campaign map defined as contact area, and to be modified by Map editor. To be posted soon!
Hello gazfun,
a long time ago I had worked out the map (I'm using yours as an example) this way with a river and
omitting of course the Po given the limitations of the game engine and editor (I pleaded my case to JMM
to have one smaller river as a branch coming out of a larger river, or stand alone like Alpone ect)
Making streams and a few together side by side can have a reducing effect, on movement, thats the only way we got around that
- marshy ground to the south following the historical narrative
- one wood bridge at Goito and one across (A22) to Bagnolo S Vito the rest stone.
- 3 castles /forts (google sketchup has a model and can be seen on google earth)
the semicircle around Mantua must be big because the area has to hold 4 buildings castles and city.
JMM to busy then to workout the new building for Histwar and told me that HW not a siege engine (no siege logarithm needed bombardment dislodges defenders)
oob Enrico Acerbi (with some artistic license)
For the French side the attack would come from Pradelle , w Austria defending
For the Austrians the attack would come from Borgoforte the bridge over the Po( in HW 1 open fields no sec river) in stages of reinforcements to simulate river crossing.
I scrapped the project because of not enough knowledge base to build the new buildings
myself in HistWar, and busy with work not too much time for HW.
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Looks like a detailed map
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Hello gazfun,
a long time ago I had worked out the map (I'm using yours as an example) this way with a river and
omitting of course the Po given the limitations of the game engine and editor (I pleaded my case to JMM
to have one smaller river as a branch coming out of a larger river, or stand alone like Alpone ect)
- marshy ground to the south following the historical narrative
- one wood bridge at Goito and one across (A22) to Bagnolo S Vito the rest stone.
- 3 castles /forts (google sketchup has a model and can be seen on google earth)
the semicircle around Mantua must be big because the area has to hold 4 buildings castles and city.
JMM to busy then to workout the new building for Histwar and told me that HW not a siege engine (no siege logarithm needed bombardment dislodges defenders)
oob Enrico Acerbi (with some artistic license)
For the French side the attack would come from Pradelle , w Austria defending
For the Austrians the attack would come from Borgoforte the bridge over the Po( in HW 1 open fields no sec river) in stages of reinforcements to simulate river crossing.
I scrapped the project because of not enough knowledge base to build the new buildings
myself in HistWar, and busy with work not too much time for HW.
What other Google apps have you found this is interesting
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Battle names to be posted here, by admin team and reffered to a normal thread until completed, where players maybe required
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French have 6 Corps VS Prussian 3 Corps, rear guard action.
The battle will be approximately south of the City Madgeburg hex 38,32
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Need a Prussian player for the battle please!
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We are looking for a Army commander for the Prussian Army in a Rear Guard action battle
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We are Looking for a Prussian Army Commander, for our Campaign and for the current battle of Magdeburg, please apply here!
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Results
Thanks Lancier for fighting the battle.
A tough battle fighting against a force nearly 3 time your number and you you did magnifcently.
I guess we all get into a battle we don't want to fight.
Although it took French forces a good day to come into contact, properly.
It that situation all anyone can do is play for time in a delaying action, some can do it better than others but its a good player who can do this
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Battle South East of Madgeburg: hex 39,32 30km Operation Histwar map to follow here as well.
Details can be found here
http://www.thegeneralshq.org/phpBBForum/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=3039
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Larger map area
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Probable 30KM Campaign Operational Histwar Map
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Battle Zerbst Operational Area see copy of map below:
Background to the battle:
After the Prussian retreat from Magdeburg and casualties as a result, the Army of Hohenlohe as moved on the East side of the Danube to link up with elements of Brunswick's Army which has joined as reinforcements, this has put the Prussian at a better disposition than Magdeburg which seemed to be surprised by Napoleons attack. The Brunswick's Army are somewhat strung out due to there long and hurried mach to assist Hohenlohe. Napoleon seeing this is hoping to catch them before they can concentrate in the Operational Map Area of Zerbst.
Using
HWLG for this battle
Prussia forces already made up. Player required. Those who are interested please inform us by Tuesday this week
Hohlenhoe's Army
CEH 156
Against
France played by:
gazfun
Napoleon Grande Armee
CEH 193
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Hey gaz :D
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Hey gaz :D
my specs
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Skype check Eduardo571952
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time zone UTC-7 Edmonton N America 11:06 am (now)
Have you in my contacts in skype
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Results for Battle in Operational Area Zerbst
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Battle Of Zerbst (Prussian perspective)
The day of the battle opened with the Prussian army under (Hohenlohe) Strung out on the march with regiments arriving at half hourly intervals. This being due to the withdrawal from the previous battle and reinforcements arriving on the field.
Initially the army held its ground avoiding contact till more of the troops arrived.
The battle started early afternoon with a small number of regiments gallantly defended themselves against the French onslaught. However the French superiority in numbers soon took their toll
against the Prussian defenders. The Prussian II ( von Kalkreuth) and III Corps ( Bulow) being all but annihilated, however their sacrifice was not in vain, a counter attack by the I Corps (Blucher) supported by the IV Corps (Thielmann) being initially successful against the French (Dutch Corps) the attack only being defeated by the LOC being blocked by the French. The V Corps ( Yorck) held in reserve covered the withdrawal of the remnants of the Prussian Army till night fell and the army successfully disengaged.
Lessons to be learned for CiC (Prussia)
When withdrawing on the ATG map, do not withdrawal to a hex beside the pursuing enemy forces. The river did not provide an obstacle, although it may delay the enemy entering the battlefield in full strength.(river crossings/assaults in HWLG, due to game map making restrictions are not possible, as they( the rivers) cannot be represented geographically,correctly on the map).
Perhaps would have been better to withdrawal to a hex/hexes further away, this would have forced the Enemy player to expend more AP(Action Points) before renewing the battle.
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Battle in Zerbst Operational
French perspective
After the Prussian hasty withdrawal from Magdeburg, Napoleon noticed that Hohlenhoe withdrew on the east side of the Danube River, which was very close to the French position on the west side of the river.
Napoleon decided not to follow up into Magdeburg and observed the Prussian retreat. Seeing them strung out so much and also with stragglers and Reinforcements from Brunswick in Berlin Saw an opportunity to strike hard where the enemy where at their weakest. The battle in the Zerbst Area was and extension of that strategy which worked for France. With Overwhelming results
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Hi Everyone
Here is a video of the Zerbst operational battle that occurred in the campaign
http://www.thegeneralshq.org/Gallery.htm see it in ATG / Histwar Third party Campaign info panel
Also loaded here
http://www.histwar.org/mods/file.php?id=247 (http://www.histwar.org/mods/file.php?id=247)
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Hi Everyone
Here is a video of the Zerbst operational battle that occurred in the campaign
http://www.thegeneralshq.org/Gallery.htm see it in ATG / Histwar Third party Campaign info panel
Also loaded here
http://www.histwar.org/mods/file.php?id=247 (http://www.histwar.org/mods/file.php?id=247)
Modified today loaded in the Depot
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Battle for Naples will take place with a Histwar Mulitplay
Results:
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Battle Rogliano was non conclusive previous month
Battle Moramanno Taking place
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Battle Rogliano was non conclusive previous month
Battle Moramanno Taking place
Battle of Mormanno completed was also no conclusive, Austria was able to withdraw, and only just, but strategically Austria is losing its position in Italy
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Results for Campaign = GB at 33 VP
Austria = 32 VP
France = 31 VP
Prussia = -1 Vp
Russia player left the game which tantmounts to a surrender.
Very close and congrats to Nedfn for the win. New campaign to start soon. This time it will be either straight ATG Game
and we can have a ATG/Histwar Third Party Game as well