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HistWar (international zone) => Communities => MODs => Discussion démarrée par: Alfiere le 25 février 2011, 19:38:17 pm
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What do you think ?
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What do you think ?
Im jocking about 3rd position :D
Im vote for 600m
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Jacquinot ,you have to vote.
Otherwise i win :D
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Now , it is a draw. :|
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Now , it is a draw. :|
I think 3rd position must win :D
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Can't be at la Haye Sainte there were british troops just there in "la sabiere" (sandy ground).
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Making a poll or having an election is no way to establish historic facts !
History is a science, not democracy !
(http://napoleon-monuments.eu/Napoleon1er/images/GrandeBatterie.jpg)
It is very well explained in Mark Adkin Waterloo Companion p.295.
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From the rigde (I suppose you consider that to be the enemy lines) to the Grande Battery ridge gives approximately 650 m, but that is already more than 300 m from the Haie Sainte.
So the question is totally wrong and it doesn't make sense answering to it !
Haie-Sainte can be considered "enemy line" too, since it was occupied.
1000 m is +/- the road from Belle-Alliance to Papelotte and is too far back.
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Making a poll or having an election is no way to establish historic facts
Yes is true,but only to take a joint decision for making a deploy of GB for all partecipants to discussion.
It is good continue to discuss, but you have also to reply cogently to weak points of Frédéric and mine.
We wait your reply to continue discussion.We learn always new things.
Hello DominiqueT
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From the rigde (I suppose you consider that to be the enemy lines) to the Grande Battery ridge gives approximately 650 m, but that is already more than 300 m from the Haie Sainte.
So the question is totally wrong and it doesn't make sense answering to it !
Haie-Sainte can be considered "enemy line" too, since it was occupied.
1000 m is +/- the road from Belle-Alliance to Papelotte and is too far back.
Dominique please vote for 600m :D
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Can't be at la Haye Sainte there were british troops just there in "la sabiere" (sandy ground).
Alfiere mean La Haye Sainte ridge. Are you voting?
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Yes , i already voted.
It is a strong fight decide how deploy GB.
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Dominique please vote for 600m :D
That's what I've just done.
In fact, it's the name "Haie-Sainte" that bothered me.
If thant means the "Haie-Sainte rigde", even if it's not really a ridge and nobody ever used that name, that is surely closer to reality.
The reason why so many people put the Grande Batterie so far to the back, is that the 6th Regt Artillery was placed there around 11.30 , but it was moved forward around 1200 - 1.00 pm.
So many maps, showing the positions at the beginning of the battle, show the artillery at that position (just NE of Belle Alliance).
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(http://napoleon-monuments.eu/Napoleon1er/images/AFEW6AiePANO.jpg)
Here you can so the monunment to the 6e d'Artillerie, but even this is too far south (number 4 on the Google map above)
You can also see that there is no real "ridge", only an ondulating landscape.
http://napoleon-monuments.eu/Napoleon1er/1815AFEW.htm#6Aie (http://napoleon-monuments.eu/Napoleon1er/1815AFEW.htm#6Aie)
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Now that i see the profile,begins to like.
But why low damage at 800 mt from opposite road ?
I do not know where start exacty enemy line.
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In my understanding the Grand Battery was just N of La Belle alliance streching east across the ridge, although was probably more of a line of individual batteries. Then it moved forward slightly to support d'Erlon as the Grand battery, then parts of it moved forward to the ridge east of La Haye Saint when the farm was taken but i wouldnt call it a Grand battery at that time, so ill go for all three :).
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But why low damage at 800 mt from opposite road ?
Because:
1) the ground was very wet (mud) and it was impossible to make the cannonballs bounce.
That's also the mean reason why the battle began so late.
2) the enemy was on the reverse slope.
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http://www.histwar.org/forum/index.php/topic,5604.msg76735.html#msg76735
There is a interesting site , posted from vonJaeger, that explain start deploy of GB.
thank vonJaeger.
I think this is right.
I understand start deploy near d'Erlon corp.
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I think that is the position that is most likely. According to the letters from several cavalry officers they came under fire from guns on the "enemy ridge" when charging d'Erlons Corps. One would assume this is the ridge at La Belle Alliance. It is not however unreasonable to suggest that several batteries may of joined d'Erlons attack. But for the sake of a Grand Battery it would of been further back.
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I went on the spot last Saturday to make some pictures from the place where the Grande Batterie was.
I'm nearly sure now it was closer to the Haie-Sainte than what most people think.
The reason for this is that if the battery had been near Belle-Alliance, the crest on which it in reality stood would nearly have blocked the shots towards the allied ridge. For that reason, the battery HAD to advance.
(http://napoleon-monuments.eu/Napoleon1er\images\GdeBattPANO1.jpg)
(http://napoleon-monuments.eu/Napoleon1er\images\GdeBattPANO2.jpg)
For a more detailed view :
http://napoleon-monuments.eu/Napoleon1er/1815AFEW.htm#GdeBatt
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Nice photos! Check out the Histwar 6km map in the depot you can compare the ridges with these photos and fly around in 3d!
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But why low damage at 800 mt from opposite road ?
Because the enemy was BEHIND the ridge.
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Yes is true,but some doubt remain.
Very nice photos DominiqueT .
I understand something more now.
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Thanks for this photos, im agree with you 100%.
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Thanks DominiqueT for these nice pics.
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I went on the spot last Saturday to make some pictures from the place where the Grande Batterie was.
I'm nearly sure now it was closer to the Haie-Sainte than what most people think.
The reason for this is that if the battery had been near Belle-Alliance, the crest on which it in reality stood would nearly have blocked the shots towards the allied ridge. For that reason, the battery HAD to advance.
taken from nix satellite 6 km map with factor 1.8
pic 1 from road Belle Alliance
pic 2 more advance of road (perhaps better more advance)
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Nice !
But what are those mountains on the horizon ? There's nothing like that in Belgium. :shock: :shock: :shock:
I know you can't do anything about it, but knowing our "plat pays" (flat country), it's a bit funny.
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D'Erlon attack.
Perhaps is better use 6km nix map,for screen step by step.(there is more rooms)
some pics (map 10 km)
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Nice !
But what are those mountains on the horizon ? There's nothing like that in Belgium. :shock: :shock: :shock:
I know you can't do anything about it, but knowing our "plat pays" (flat country), it's a bit funny.
Much more funny this mountains looks at flat Borodino field :D
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D'Erlon attack.
Perhaps is better use 6km nix map,for screen step by step.(there is more rooms)
some pics (map 10 km)
Your screens looks different? New MOD?
Alf you play Waterloo with RC6 patch?
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Your screens looks different? New MOD?
Alf you play Waterloo with RC6 patch?
New Mod ? i think of not (perhaps some confusion,with many MODS)
why is different ?
Rc6 patch yes
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New Mod ? i think of not (perhaps some confusion,with many MODS)
because is different ?
Rc6 patch yes
Your last screens looks like you install MadRussian data.txt file :D
How you play with new patch?
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Seems better,but for now i am played not much.
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first shots of Erlon (51° french regiment) against (95° inf english)
immortal screenshots :roll:
Perhaps not the first but ....almost
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Not exactly the topic but it would be nice to have some improvement on the waterloo map like the sandpit, the hurdles ("barricades") on the road in front of La Haye Sainte and behind Hougoumont, the ravine and bushes along the Ohain road.
Maybe someone familiar with map editor can add this features if they are available in the game?
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Maybe........
And why not also the large elm solitary?
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Waterloo - grande battery view - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLZwjxMOV4E
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Nice video, but I couldn't stand the music !