HistWar
HistWar (international zone) => Support => Multiplay => Discussion démarrée par: AJ le 07 juin 2010, 18:24:30 pm
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Alfy and I are fighting an uneven PBEM battle, Alfy (Allies) 144 CEH, me (France) 119 CEH. We are posting screens and updates here to show our progress using the new PBEM Workaround. Everything is working perfectly. You have to keep an eye on the timer and remember to switch sides just before you exit your turn, that way your opponent watches the replay viewing as his side. Also 2 battles are now in progress at NBC
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All work very well.
Only little problem for me is take a look to timer because it is easy to exceed the limit.
Very fine battle with Ajle, tomorrow continue.
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Looking at the timer is a new discipline for the Workaround. I find it easier to concentrate on the battle if I Pause to give orders (Timer stops running) & fight on 20/60. This way the timer is far easier. :smile:
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Right , playing at 20/60 it is a good idea.
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Other idea it is repeat with file receive by opponent
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Sorry Alfy, don't understand that. Can you explain more?
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If you exceed time limit,you can repeat with the last file received from opponent.
Overwrite the file with time extra and play again.
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Ahhh, OK I see. I really like not getting the Red Screen every 3 turns. We have one extra step but with no Red Screen it works out good.
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Great stuff guys, I'm very impressed with this, after only a few turns it all becomes as easy and automatic as the "official" PBEM - and it all works so well with the orders being obayed - at last !.
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Partial shield to defence my cavalry from Murat cav.
start 8.00 ceh loss % French (Ajle) ceh loss% Allied
9.30 1 1
10.00 4 4
10.30 6 (Murat) 10
last 10.45 9 12
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Alfy, is tricky, he got me to commit Murats Cav Corps, then carried out a retreat of his Cav just before we met :evil: :evil:
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Alfy, is tricky, he got me to commit Murats Cav Corps, then carried out a retreat of his Cav just before we met :evil: :evil:
No, I expected attack of Murat in that area,where else.
I do not watch your orders!
This is bigger problem with Both side .
Perhaps can add the rule that is allowed to watch the orders for both.
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No watching orders!!!! Gentlemans agreement :shock: :shock:
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Battle progressing with no bugs. Murats combined arms attempt to turn the Allies left flank has failed and an orderly retreat has taken place. The center is steady. The Allies are now mounting there own attack on the French left.
Attached some screens of a Cavalry charge from Murats failed attack and a screen of the current situation.
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Next challenge Aj V ges or Gunner24? and post here? with sav file on depot for winner and obviously a medal.
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G24 and I are just finishing one and starting a new one today. It will be an NBC Campaign GAW battle but will post here as well
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At the end of the second days fighting, Alfy's Allies are in a far stronger position than France. Alfy is developing a counter attack on the French right. The French attempt to use numerical superiority in a localised area on the Allies right, is faltering.
One bright spot for France is their influence on the Allies LOP in the SE, can France cut the LOP again and stage an attack while the Allies Moral is affected by the LOP loss?
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Battle ended in a valiant draw. Curious thing happened. We started the battle sending unzipped files, all orders obeyed. Later on we started zipping the files with WinRar, slowly orders started to be delayed or ignored. We stopped Zipping and after one turn each, all orders given were once again obeyed in a precise and timely manner? Could this be the cause of the Order memory leak in the Official PBEM Mode. In the official mode all our orders were always obeyed at the beginning as we sent unzipped files. I have to experiment and report back
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In the official mode all our orders were always obeyed at the beginning as we sent unzipped files
I always noticed games were ok during the early stages, and got worse later on, so it could be the files as they got bigger and needed to be zipped ???????.
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I'm no expert, all I know is that when we stopped Zipping the files, all orders returned to normal after one turn each. Could this have some significance with the pbem problem JMM is working on? I don't know
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No idea.. that seems very curious...
Only I am sure there was a bug in your version.. and I hope the release 02a will work fine for PBEM, whatever the type of orders... ;)
JMM
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JMM, that's good to know, I sincerely hope so too. I think it must be in the Decompression or Overwrite process, all I know is the workaround plays fine if you don't Zip. As we say in USA, "Go Figure"
The workaround is providing us with a temporary way to fight and battles are in full progress, being enjoyed by all :smile:
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If zipping a file caused any kind of corruption, the game would never have returned to normal. Most of the time if there's corruption during the zipping process, the file won't unzip, but give you an error message.
Zipped files do not lose data like JPG images do. If you zip a file, then upzip it, the new file will be identical to the one you originally zipped. If there was any problem with the file, it was there before you zipped it.
If the zip file was corrupted in transit, it wouldn't unzip. The best you could hope for is to get a message telling you the file is corrupt and the zip utility will attempt to fix it. I'm not sure if WinRAR does this, but I've seen it in other zip programs in the past.
Hook
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To me seems that solo mode work well.
Both side it is in practice a solo mode without Gt AI (I think I could be wrong), only question is owervrite the files,se this have no problem should work well .
Ajle have used WinRaR....could be ???
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I am gratefully for the input of both JMM and Hook on this subject. I am not and will never claim to be a "Computer Wizard', so I bow to their superior knowledge on this matter.
However if emailing zipping and unzipping files has no effect on them, and considering, as Alfy says, that the game is essentially operating in SOLO mode which is imitating pbem mode; then there must be an order bug in "Command both Sides" SOLO mode, which disappears when an uncompressed file is emailed.
This is precisely why I am no good at Computing/Programming, I can never make sense of the nonsensical and fix it.
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To make a experiment could be playing for 30 minutes for side.(for speedy)
Exchanging only file not zipped until at 13.00 hours (half game).
Then keep this file as master.
Take a copy and playing 15 min for side exchanging file zipped until the end.(not with WinRar) at the end change name to file.
then take a copy and playing 15 min for side exchanging file not zipped until the end and see the difference.
(trying to give same orders of previous battle)
or perhaps is better wait vers .2a and stop.(without perhaps)
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Alfy, as always good ideas you have but I am happy concentrating on the fighting pbem battles right now. I am confident Version 0.2 will work, I know JMM is having everything well tested. So lets battle!!!!!
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Ok, let me make sure of one thing. You aren't putting the .zip file in the save game folder without unzipping it, are you? If you're doing that, and the game is automatically handling the unzipping process, there may indeed be a bug. If you are zipping and unzipping totally outside the game, so that the game only sees the original file on each side, then the zip process won't matter.
Hook
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Ok, let me make sure of one thing. You aren't putting the .zip file in the save game folder without unzipping it, are you? If you're doing that, and the game is automatically handling the unzipping process, there may indeed be a bug.
Hook, I'm saving the Zipped file to Histwar\Save\Battle, then right clicking and selecting "Unzip Here", "YES" to replace existing file, then deleting the original zipped file. Does that work?
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Thank Hook for clarification.
I unizip out and the move in directory for overwrite , but zip in directory for send file with mail.
Then for zip i must copy sav file in other directory and zip for send to mail.
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Hook, I'm saving the Zipped file to Histwar\Save\Battle, then right clicking and selecting "Unzip Here", "YES" to replace existing file, then deleting the original zipped file. Does that work?
That works perfectly. :)
I think if I tried it that way, I'd end up sending the wrong files. Of course, most of my PBEMs have used mIRC's direct file transfer. The hardest part for me is keeping the files straight.
Hook
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Of course, most of my PBEMs have used mIRC's direct file transfer. The hardest part for me is keeping the files straight.
Hook, what is mirc"s direct file transfer? what advantages does it have etc... Thanks in advance. 8)
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Now i am playing Temporary PBEM with italian player.
I think to send file not zipped,how many mega can to be transfer with mail?
I heard that with Google mail 20 mega with no problem. be true?
We must find a other way to transfer big files.
http://blog.shift.it/2009/02/24/altri-metodi-per-trasferire-grossi-files/
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Alfy, the files don't get that big. I just did a 300 ceh battle on a 15k map and the file end size was 2.75mb.
With the workaround the file is smaller than the Official pbem file size
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Our Auerstadt the file was 4.178 Mega.
It is true, is not too big.
Perhaps for mail no problems.
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I haven't had any. My ISP "Comcast" allows 10mb
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I copy my file to a folder, then zip it there, send it via the e-mail and delete after its sent......then the downloaded zip file is downloaded into that folder, un zipped there and moved into the HW/battle save folder, overwriting the exsisting file. That way I always have the last updated file my end, untill I get the next file back.
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Ajle, you are playing temporary.
Tell us something,problems with order?
Are using zipping files or not?
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Now i am playing Temporary PBEM with italian player.
I think to send file not zipped,how many mega can to be transfer with mail?
I heard that with Google mail 20 mega with no problem. be true?
We must find a other way to transfer big files.
http://blog.shift.it/2009/02/24/altri-metodi-per-trasferire-grossi-files/
to Alfiere and Aj,
Why not test :
http://www.wetransfer.info/
You should be able to transfer up to 2 GB (!!) free from charges they are paid by advertisers.
Read the "faq", very instrutives.
From the informations, no need to change the emailer. "wetransfer" acts like a bridge between emails.
I hope that could help you a bit and enlighten if zipping a file or not changes the process. Anyway, if zipping is not necessary (using "wetransfer") it should be easier to handle PBEM.
Paragraph for JMM (I presume he reads this) :
Personaly, I am waiting as many others, I suppose, the new release of LG before I dive again in LG. When we paid for LG, we knew it was a beta version. Therefore I feel a bit let down when I read the new version is tested only by the "old" testers. Aren't Gunner24, Ajlewisbrookes, Alfieri amongst those who should be invited to test the new release? Of course, in case you scorn for testing all the others devotees to our beloved game.
Cheers from a like wounded afficionado,
GP.
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A few order problems Alfy, but no more than in SOLO mode, sometimes have to repeat the same Corp order and it gets executed the 2nd time. I find that a lot of the bugs are related to the map or oob, you are using. A battle with Ges had a river problem, with units on both sides unable to move near the river, and some units under water with their flag sticking out!!! The Austerlitz oob, Soults Corps will sometimes accept reassingned units and sometimes won't causing a freeze.
I am not zipping any files right now. Hope this helps
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Thanks to GrosPaul and Ajle for these news.
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I still see some "bugs"....deployed artillery that will not re-deploy to another place.....sometimes no movement near rivers, I wonder if this is connected to being very close to the river when the orders are given, I have seen good marching and pathfinding when orders are given to corps a long way away from the river....they march to, and over the bridge ok, but when they start close by and you try to get them over the river it looks a mess.
I've seen some "funny" artillery units, with massive amounts of cannons, which were NOT there when the OOB was built, like 40 odd cannons in one battery ??????????.
I'm hoping these kind of things may be gone when we get v2, but the main thing is the order system working correctly.
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Paragraph for JMM (I presume he reads this) :
Personally, I am waiting as many others, I suppose, the new release of LG before I dive again in LG. When we paid for LG, we knew it was a beta version. Therefore I feel a bit let down when I read the new version is tested only by the "old" testers. Aren't Gunner24, Ajlewisbrookes, Alfieri amongst those who should be invited to test the new release? Of course, in case you scorn for testing all the others devotees to our beloved game.
Cheers from a like wounded afficionado,
GP.
GP, thanks for the vote of confidence in me and the guys but it is misplaced mate. I have no computer/programming experience whatever. In a way we are Beta testing but it's the unofficial pbem workaround, now known as "NBC pbem Mode".
I have full confidence that the game will eventually be working in all modes correctly and have nothing but praise for the work done so far. Our attempt with Alfiere and the NBC guys to produce a workaround was born out of the love of the game and the need to contribute to the Histwar community as a whole and not just leave everything to JMM with all the pressure that entails.
We have pbem battles being fought and happy Gronards again. Although the mode isn't perfect, I only wish the idea had come to light sooner.
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GP, thanks for the vote of confidence in me and the guys but it is misplaced mate. I have no computer/programming experience whatever. In a way we are Beta testing but it's the unofficial pbem workaround, now known as "NBC pbem Mode".
AJ mate :
- I know fromthe start my message to JMM was misplaced but I feel and am to old to find another place to spill my bean.
- I don't understand your "I have no computer/programming experience whatever" in this approached. "LG" is for everybody ! That is everybody should appreciate it. A tester have to note what is not running correctly from a CinC point of view and not from an informatician. That is the job for JMM.
I have full confidence that the game will eventually be working in all modes correctly and have nothing but praise for the work done so far. Our attempt with Alfiere and the NBC guys to produce a workaround was born out of the love of the game and the need to contribute to the Histwar community as a whole and not just leave everything to JMM with all the pressure that entails.
We have pbem battles being fought and happy Gronards again. Although the mode isn't perfect, I only wish the idea had come to light sooner.
For sure all appraised the contributions from all "non official" testers working with the "old actual version" but who could denied all those efforts could be more usefull if you were working with the "02 beta version" ? hehehe ... be honest pal :smile:
Cheers,
GP.
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For sure all appraised the contributions from all "non official" testers working with the "old actual version" but who could denied all those efforts could be more usefully if you were working with the "02 beta version" ? hehehe ... be honest pal
GP, I know what you mean about "spilling Bean", let's say "Letting off Steam" you sometimes feel that you have got to be heard.
I would much rather contribute to the Histwar community in an unofficial capacity, it doesn't carry the same official recognition but I don't need that. I have the personal satisfaction of helping NBC team develop a method of playing pbem while awaiting the fix.
We have been able to share this with others and so I feel the Histwar community as a whole has benefited
hehehe ... be honest pal
I cannot deny that a few of us have had that discussion in the past mainly based on the amount of hours we were putting in to pbem already, however we are so caught up in trying to actually win battles and progress on our campaign map, that the subject disappeared from our thoughts
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Advantage when play PBEM temporary.
I have watch my battle with Ajle and i have controlled my orders (cursor over CC , F7 , orders) with pag down and up also historic orders.
Many many orders are ok, sometimes however i have seen reception order hour 0.0 or 8.0 start battle , these order be followed if executed.
Play for 15 min for side is possible follow these orders and if not executed cancelled and be repeated.
clearly the game launch with option orders->immediate
Thing not possible at once with PBEM (give orders and send file to opponent )
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What Alfy is saying is that the workaround is working well, only a few order bugs and if the order is quickly repeated it is usually obeyed
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I would much rather contribute to the Histwar community in an unofficial capacity
I feel the same, I don't have much patience for "offical" testing of anything, I leave that to others who enjoy it, all I can do is point out stuff I see that "looks" wrong, be it wrong or not !!!!!.
I have strong hopes that v2 will be a big improvement.
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My experience with PBEM workaround in the battle I'm fighting against Aj is that the orders are usually obeyed. Sometimes corps commanders make adjustments to the lines of deployment, but this I think is nice, because they know the true situation and immediate threats better than the player does.
António
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My experience with PBEM workaround in the battle I'm fighting against Aj is that the orders are usually obeyed. Sometimes corps commanders make adjustments to the lines of deployment, but this I think is nice, because they know the true situation and immediate threats better than the player does.
That is a good analysis