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Titre: Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 11 février 2010, 16:05:44 pm
Hi all!
This is going to be a big project: My goal is to post OoBs for all major clashes of the Napoleonic wars between 1805 and 1815 (battles with at least 5000 men on both sides).
My main source is Smith's Greenhill Napoleonic Wars Data Book. Most of the information there is excellent but I'm sure that you can find some errors. I tried to reproduce the OoBs from Smith as accurately as possible within the limits of the OoB editor.

Some remarks about the OoBs:
Often the CiC was also commander of one Corps. In these cases the CiC and the corps commander are identical but I renamed the corps commander as AdC, meaning that an Aide de Camp of the CiC leads the corps. So we don't have 2 Murat's one the map...
I include some information about the troop strength in the name of the OoB. That way you can easily see the size of the army you choose when setting up "quick", balanced battles.

The naming format of the oob-files is as follows:
[Year of battle - only if there were more than one battle at the same location between 1792 and 1815][Name of place][French CEH]x[Allied CEH]

"1805Caldiero55x80" means: It's the OoB for the battle of Caldiero in 1805 (not the battles of 1796 or 1813) with 55 CEH for the Grande Armee and 80 CEH for the Allied force.

This naming also prevents that you overwrite any existing OoBs when installing my OoBs.

INSTALLATION: Unzip all files into the "Army" folder.

Feel free to correct any errors and HAVE FUN!!!

PROGRESS:
Finished so far for the available forces: 111 battles between 1805 and 1815.
Updated some oobs. All OoB files are available in one single zip-file,  including an excel-table as reference.
Download here:
http://www.histwar.org/forum/index.php/topic,4062.msg60786.html#msg60786 (http://www.histwar.org/forum/index.php/topic,4062.msg60786.html#msg60786)

Added 6 battles of the Belgian campaign in 1815:
http://www.histwar.org/forum/index.php/topic,4062.msg75343.html#msg75343
Titre: Re : Orendels scenario depot
Posté par: Ras le 11 février 2010, 16:09:31 pm
I'm really looking forward to this.
Now we need some maps really quick.  :mrgreen:
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Ras le 11 février 2010, 16:47:01 pm
Please allow me a point of constructive criticism.
I noticed in the OoB of Herbrechtingen, that there's a unit of Dragoons named "6. CR Fürst Rosenberg".
I wonder, what is it? A Cuirassier Regiment or dragoons?  ;) (It's not just in your OoB, I think the designation is wrong in the OoB provided by the game.) A regiment of Kürassiere would be CR and a regiment of Dragoons DR. If they are Cuirassiers then they need to be upgraded to Cuirassiers in your OoB, because now they are Dragoons. Seeing that the Austrians are badly outnumbered they can use them.
Oh and btw, its a "Grenadier Division" not Grenadieren. I know, it's in the game and not your fault but if you're gonna spend that much time on doing all those OoB, I thought I mention it early.  :mrgreen:

I really aprreciate your work. Please take my complaints with a grain of salt. It's "whining on a high level" as we say in Germany.

Thanks,

Ras
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 11 février 2010, 18:04:07 pm
Please allow me a point of constructive criticism.
I noticed in the OoB of Herbrechtingen, that there's a unit of Dragoons named "6. CR Fürst Rosenberg".
I wonder, what is it? A Cuirassier Regiment or dragoons?  ;) (It's not just in your OoB, I think the designation is wrong in the OoB provided by the game.) A regiment of Kürassiere would be CR and a regiment of Dragoons DR. If they are Cuirassiers then they need to be upgraded to Cuirassiers in your OoB, because now they are Dragoons. Seeing that the Austrians are badly outnumbered they can use them.
Oh and btw, its a "Grenadier Division" not Grenadieren. I know, it's in the game and not your fault but if you're gonna spend that much time on doing all those OoB, I thought I mention it early.  :mrgreen:

I really aprreciate your work. Please take my complaints with a grain of salt. It's "whining on a high level" as we say in Germany.

Thanks,

Ras

1st of all: Hallo, bin doch auch Deutscher  :) For the non-Germans let's talk in English.
The designation CR in the Austrian army means Chevaux-legers-Regiment, that is light cavalry. Cuirassier regiments are abbreviated KR. The OoB editor is correct in this case.
You're right about the "Grenadieren Division" but anyway they should not be called "Grenadierdivision" because it's not a division. "Grenadiers reunis" or "Vereinigte Grenadiere" would be better.
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: nix le 11 février 2010, 20:14:58 pm
Thanks for those I just realised that the OoB downloads are actually at the bottom of your posts on a link under the line.....Dohh :oops: (I thought you were just anouncing an intention to make them, silly me!)
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: nix le 11 février 2010, 21:14:07 pm
Just a comment (not a critisism) ;)

I just had a chance to look at your OoB for Wertingen. It is an interesting contrast to my own in its  organisation into seperately controlable groups.  Yours is correct, but until divisions and brigades are made seperately controlable in the game it means for the french only two controlable groups (Murat's Corps and Lanne's) and one for Austria. This puts all the French cavalry in one group and all the infantry in the second. So the different arrival times of the divisions in the historical battle cannot be simulated (unless by detaching individual squadrons). My organisation puts the divisions at the top of the organisation so we have 5 controlable groups for France and 2 for Austria. This means our OoBs will play out quite differently ( which is fine, nicely complimentary)

This emphasises that one may need to structure the OoB to the scenario one wishes to play if historical scenarios are your thing.

This is probably most true of small battles
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Count von Csollich le 11 février 2010, 21:16:56 pm
why not use the corps structure in smaller battles to simulate Divisions and the actual CinC remains "just" Corps Commander?
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: nix le 11 février 2010, 21:25:56 pm
Thats exactly what i did :D for my OoB
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 11 février 2010, 23:01:04 pm
I try to use the corps size (CEH limit 50 in the OoB editor) for smaller battles but this can lead to very small limits of special troop types. At Wertingen the French had about 3400 dragoons. This many dragoons are not available with CEH50. That's why I chose the "Army" size even in smaller battles if necessary.
This can be a problem for playability as you pointed out but you could still detach units and give individual orders.
I don't pay attention to arrival times at the moment, may consider this later.
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Count von Csollich le 11 février 2010, 23:36:49 pm
thank you anyway for your effort!!!  :mrgreen:
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: AJ le 12 février 2010, 02:47:24 am
Orondel, thank you for your hard work. Making this stuff is beyond me, so forgive me if I just enjoy them.  Looking forward to what you'll do when we've got the Brits.
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 12 février 2010, 11:22:24 am
Thank you all for your kind words! This is a great community! It encourages me to go on (Remaking Austerlitz-OoB means a lot of sweat!!).
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Pom le 12 février 2010, 12:10:51 pm
Thanks forall these, will look out for all your future releases. :D
Titre: Re : December 1805
Posté par: lodi57 le 12 février 2010, 13:37:29 pm
I gave the Russians only 80 guns because their exact number is not known and their infantry and cavalry is strong enough  ;)

The exact number is not known but 80 guns is far from reality. The distinctive feature of the Russian army is its strong allocation in artillery.

http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/Austerlitz/c_austerlitzoob4.html (http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/Austerlitz/c_austerlitzoob4.html)

To have followed the Austerlitz 2009 game on French forum, I can say than dividing by more than 4 the Russian artillery allocation gives the French (which troops have already an outclassing on Austrians and Russians in LG for year 1805) a considerable advantage that will give the Allied nearly any chance to win.

Titre: Re : Re : December 1805
Posté par: orendel le 12 février 2010, 16:56:18 pm
To have followed the Austerlitz 2009 game on French forum, I can say than dividing by more than 4 the Russian artillery allocation gives the French (which troops have already an outclassing on Austrians and Russians in LG for year 1805) a considerable advantage that will give the Allied nearly any chance to win.

This argument is strong. Going to rework the OoB and give the Russians their guns back.
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Taff le 12 février 2010, 17:58:02 pm
Added the April 19th 1809 OOB of Davouts III Corps & the Austrian III & IV Corps. This was when Charles tried to trap Davouts isolated corps
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Ras le 13 février 2010, 11:18:48 am
Great, keep them coming.  :smile:
It's clear that we need maps for all of these battles.
Here's a link with maps for most battles: http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/c_maps.html


Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Fusilier le 13 février 2010, 11:30:37 am
Well done Grenadiers, thanks for your hard work which I’m sure will encourage others to follow you example and enhance the enjoyment of the simulation.

Great link Ras :D
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Count von Csollich le 13 février 2010, 11:46:06 am
Hi orendel!
Could you tell us what reference for the creation of these OoBs you are using?
thanks

CvC
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 13 février 2010, 12:08:05 pm
Hi orendel!
Could you tell us what reference for the creation of these OoBs you are using?
thanks

CvC

Mainly Digby Smith: Greenhill Napoleonic Wars data book.
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: glaude1955 le 13 février 2010, 12:17:21 pm
Great, keep them coming.  :smile:
It's clear that we need maps for all of these battles.
Here's a link with maps for most battles: http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/c_maps.html




Thanks Ras
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Max57 le 13 février 2010, 12:38:53 pm
TRhanks a lot for that hard work and please keep going on !!
 :D
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Taff le 13 février 2010, 13:11:21 pm
Will put this in the bug report also
I did an OOB ( Davouts IIICorps) It kept crashing well into a scenario. Checked other peoples OOBs & came to the conclusion the fault could be that the historical OOBs had larger than normal numbers in battalions. Redid the OOB with the default numbers & it now runs Totally unscientific But …Maybe that could be the answerjavascript:void(0);
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Théodoricus le 14 février 2010, 08:07:04 am
Just downloaded.
I appreciate all your work for the community.
Now we must find the time to play all these scenarios.

Cordially,
 :D :D
Théodoricus
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Taff le 14 février 2010, 15:30:06 pm
Updated the 19th April OOBs.Think the crashes were caused by not using the default numbers for Regiments(2 battalions
historically 2300 men Default in editor 1800).Tried it on two maps & it now works.
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 15 février 2010, 08:49:47 am
Next update will take a while. April 09 was pretty bloody...
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Théodoricus le 15 février 2010, 15:18:44 pm
Take a little rest, Adjudant Orendel. You've already made a lot of good works to share.
Very kind of you !

 :D

Théodoricus
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Ras le 17 février 2010, 14:14:31 pm
Thanks for all the work.
I'd like to create a scenario with a large cavalry battle. I almost finished the one at Leipzig (on paper) before it dawned on me that I don't have all the units in the game.  :lol:
Which of your OoB has the most Cav?
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: DominiqueT le 17 février 2010, 14:19:44 pm
I almost finished the one at Leipzig (on paper) before it dawned on me that I don't have all the units in the game.  :lol:

Welcome to the club ! I had the same problem with another 1813 battle (Eichberg).

We'll have to wait (for those damn Prussians) !
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 17 février 2010, 19:20:37 pm
Thanks for all the work.
I'd like to create a scenario with a large cavalry battle. I almost finished the one at Leipzig (on paper) before it dawned on me that I don't have all the units in the game.  :lol:
Which of your OoB has the most Cav?


The battle with the highest cavalry count in this OoB-set is Friedland with about 38.000 riders.
The highest share of cavalry you find in the (very small and unbalanced) clash at Herbrechtingen (about 60%).
Titre: Re : Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Ras le 17 février 2010, 19:48:36 pm
The battle with the highest cavalry count in this OoB-set is Friedland with about 38.000 riders.
The highest share of cavalry you find in the (very small and unbalanced) clash at Herbrechtingen (about 60%).

Thanks for looking, orendel.
Friedland is too large for what I want and has too much infantry. Herbrechtingen is nice and small but one side has only two units.
At Alteglofsheim 1809 (I was thinking about doing that) there were 39 squads vs 60 squads but in game you would only have 5 Austrian units and a good dozen French ones. Would be unfair and boring. It seems histoy doesn't really provide what I want. I'll either do a fictional battle or something completely different.  :D
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: mccourt le 17 février 2010, 23:21:25 pm
Been working on the OOB for Raab but finding some conflicting sources for Eugenes forces... anyone recommend a relaible source?
Thanks
TOm
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Ras le 18 février 2010, 09:22:11 am
orendel,

I'm interested in Reichenbach 1813.
Here's what I have so far:
Citer
French Army (Napoleon)
- VII Corps (Reynier)
 32nd (French) Division
 Saxon Royal Corps
- I Cavalry Corps (Latour-Mauburg)
 1st Light Cavalry Division
 3rd Light Cavalry Division
 1st Cuirassier Division
- Guard Light Cavalry (Lefebre-Desnoettes)
Total: 11,000 Infantry , 5,400 Cavalry and 11 Batteries

Russian Army (Wurttemberg)
- 2nd Infantry Corps (Wurtemberg)
 3rd Division
 4th Division
 Corps Cavalry
- Reinforcements
 5th Division
 2nd Cuirassier Division
 Trubezkoi Cavalry (Corps?)
Total: 12,300 Infantry ; 7,180 Cavalry and 12 Batteries

Obviously, I need more details. Can you help me out?
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Taff le 18 février 2010, 11:19:50 am
Are you after the units in the Corps?
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Ras le 18 février 2010, 11:36:41 am
Are you after the units in the Corps?
I'm mainly wondering atm who Trubezkoi is.
Here's what I've so far. Note that the Order is taken from the complete order.
So, there are far more units and men than I need.
Citer
French forces
VII Corps: General de Division Reynier

32nd (French) Division     General de Division Durutte
   1st Brigade    De Vaux
      1st Battalion, 35th Light    1 Battalion
      3rd and 4th Battalions, 131st Line    2 Battalions
      3rd and 4th Battalions, 132nd Line    2 Battalions
   2nd Brigade    Jarry
      4th Battalion, 36th Light    1 Battalion
      3rd and 4th Battalions, 133rd Line    2 Battalions
      2nd and 3rd Battalions, Würzburg Regiment    2 Battalions
   Divisional Artillery    
      2 Foot Batteries    16 guns
24th Division     Generallieutenant Edler von Lecoq
   1st Brigade    Oberst von Brause
      1st Battalion, Leib Grenadier Garde    1 Battalion
      1st Light Infantry (von Lecoq)    2 Battalions
      1st Battalion, Prinz Maximilian    1 Battalion
      2nd Battalion, von Rechten    1 Battalion
2nd Brigade    Generalmajor von Mellentin
      von Spiegel Grenadier Battalion    1 Battalion
      Prinz Friedrich August    2 Battalions
      von Steindel    2 Battalions
   Divisional Artillery    Major von Roth
      1st Foot Battery    Hauptmann Kuhnel (8 guns)
      2nd Foot Battery    Hauptmann Rouvroy (8 guns)
Attached to the Division    
   Pioneers    1 Company    

Corps Reserve Artillery    
   1 Foot Battery    Hauptmann Rouvroy (8 guns)

Saxon Heavy Cavalry Brigade (?)
1st Cavalry Corps    Generalmajor Lessing
   Leib Kürassiere Garde    4 Squadrons
   Zastron Kürassiere    4 Squadrons


I Cavalry Corps (French)

71 squadrons and 5 batteries

Latour-Maubourg, GdD Marie-Victor-Nicolas de Fay

1st Light Cavalry Division
Corbineau, GdD Jean-Baptiste-Juvenal

    1st Light Cavalry Brigade
    1) Rosnyvinen, Hippolyte-Marie-Guillaume de, Comte de Pire [GdD 15.10.1813]
    2) Coetlosquet, GdB Charles-Yves-Cesar-Cyr, Chevalier du [replaced GdB Pire 15.10.1813]

        6th Hussar Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Savoie-Carignan, Colonel Joseph-Marie, Prince de

        7th Hussar Regiment: 3 squadrons
        Eulner, Colonel Guillaume-Joseph, Baron

        8th Hussar Regiment: 3 squadrons
        1) Coetlosquet, Colonel Charles-Yves-Cesar-Cyr, Chevalier du [GdB 15.10.1813]
        2) Thurot, Colonel Nicolas [replaced Colonel Coetlosquet 15.10.1813]

    2nd Light Cavalry Brigade
    Pelletier, GdB Aime-Sulpice-Victor, Baron de Montmarie

        1st Chevauleger-Lancer Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Jacquinot, Colonel Jean-Baptiste-Nicolas, Chevalier

        3rd Chevauleger-Lancer Regiment: 1 squadron
        1) Hatry, Colonel Charles-Joseph-Jean-Baptiste-Georges, Chevalier [killed/missing 14.10.1813]
        2) Texier d’Hautefeuille, Colonel Eugene-Gabriel-Louis

        16th Chasseur  Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Latour-Foissac, Colonel Antoine-Henri-Armand-Jules-Elisabeth de


    3rd Light Cavalry Brigade
    Picquet, GdB Cyrille-Simon, Baron

        5th Chevauleger-Lancer Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Chabert, Colonel Francois-Felicite

        [Polish] 8th Chevauleger-Lancer Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Lubienski, Colonel Thomas, Comte

        [Italian] 1st Chasseur Regiment: 4 squadrons
        Gasparinetti, Colonel Antonio-Giovanni


3rd Light Cavalry Division
Chastel, GdD Louis-Pierre-Aime, Baron

    4th Light Cavalry Brigade
    Vallin, GdB Louis, Baron

        8th Chasseur Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Talleyrand-Perigord, Colonel Alexandre-Edmond, Duc de

        9th Chasseur  Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Auvrange-Dukermont, Colonel Francois-Eugene, Baron d’

        25th Chasseur Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Faudoas, Colonel Paul-Eugene, Marquis de


    5th Light Cavalry Brigade
    Merlen, GdB Jean-Baptiste, Baron van

        1st Chasseur Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Huber, Colonel Pierre-Francois-Antoine, Baron

        19th Chasseur Regiment: 3 squadrons
        Vincent, Colonel Henri-Catherine-Balthazard, Baron

1st Heavy Cavalry Division
Tardif de Pommeroux, GdD Etienne, Comte de Bordesoulle

    Cavalry Brigade
    1) Berckheim, GdD Sigismond-Frederic, Baron de
    2) Sopransi, GdB Louis-Charles-Barthelemy, Baron [13.10.1813]

        2nd Cuirassier Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Rolland, Colonel Pierre, Baron

        3rd Cuirassier Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Lacroix, Colonel Jean-Guillaume de

        6th Cuirassier Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Martin, Colonel Jean-Baptiste-Isidore, Baron

    Cavalry Brigade
    Bessieres, GdB Bertrand, Baron

        9th Cuirassier Regiment: 3 squadrons
        Habert, Colonel Jean-Nicolas

        11th Cuirassier Regiment: 3 squadrons
        Lefevre, Colonel Francois-Nicolas

        12th Cuirassier Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Daudies, Colonel Michel-Jean-Paul

    [Saxon] Cavalry Brigade
    Lessing, GM H.-A. von

        Garde-Kurassier Regiment: 4 squadrons
        Berge, OB Friedrich-Gotthelf von

        Cuirassier Regiment von Zastrow: 4 squadrons
        Ziegler und Klipphausen, Col. Adolf-Gottlob-Ehrenreich-August von

Imperial Guard Cavalry
2nd Division
Lefebvre-Desnouettes, GdD Charles, Comte

    1st [Polish] Lancer Regiment: 4 squadrons
    Krasinski, GdB Vincent-Corvin, Comte [GdD 28.11.1813]

    1st Chasseur Regiment: 4 squadrons
    Lion, GdB Jean-Dieudonne, Baron

    Horse Grenadier Regiment: p squadrons
    Castex, GdB Bertrand-Pierre, Baron [GdD 28.11.1813]

    Artillery

        1 – 6 pdr Horse Artillery Battery



Allied/Russian forces


Russian II Corps

24 battalions and 5 batteries
Wurttemburg, GL Eugene Prinz von

3rd Infantry Division
Schachkovskoi, GM Ivan

    Brigade

        Jaeger Regiments Nr. 20 and Nr. 21: 4  battalions

    Brigade

        Murmansk and Revel Infantry Regiments: 4 battalions

    Brigade

        Chernihov and Selenguinsk Infantry Regiments: 4 battalions

4th Infantry Division
Pyshnitzki, GM Dmitri

    Brigade
    Reibnitz, Colonel Karl Pavlovich

        Jaeger Regiment Nr. 4: 2 battalions

        Kremenchug and Minsk Infantry Regiments: 4 battalions

    Brigade
    Fedorov, Colonel Aleksandr

        Jaeger Regiment Nr. 34: 2 battalions

        Tobolsk and Volynsk Infantry Regiments: 4 battalions

Russian Cavalry Corps

22 squadrons + Cossacks
Pahlen, GL Petr Petrovich, Count von der

    Brigade
    Ridinger, GM Alexandr Karlovich

        Grodno Hussar Regiment

        Soumy Hussar Regiment

    Brigade
    Lisanevich, GM Grigorii Ivanovich

        Loubny Hussar Regiment: 4 squadrons

        Chuguiev Uhlan Regiment: 6 squadrons

    Brigade
    Illowaiski-XII, GM

        3 Cossack Regiments

        1 Tartar Regiment



Reinforcements:
5th Infantry Division
Mezentov, GM Vladimir Petrovich

    Brigade

        Jaeger Regiments Nr. 23 and Nr. 24: 4 battalions

    Brigade
    Vlastov, GM

        Sewski and Kaluga Infantry Regiments: 4 battalions

    Brigade
    Lukov, GM

        Perm and Mogilev Infantry Regiments: 4 battalions

        Grand Duchess Catherine Pavlovna Infantry: 1 battalion

2nd Cuirassier Division (Austrian Cuirassier Corps)
Civalart, FML Karl, Graf

    Brigade
    Kuttalek von Ehrengreif, GM Ferdinand

        Cuirassier Regiment Friedrich-August-Albert, Prinz von Sachsen Nr. 3: 4 squadrons
        Bayerwerk, OB Heinrich, Freiherr von

        Cuirassier Regiment Karl-Eugen, Prinz zu Lothringen Nr. 7: 4 squadrons
        Hessen-Homberg, OB Ferdinand, Prinz zu

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Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Taff le 18 février 2010, 11:55:17 am
All Above is what I have.From Lieven & Bowden.No mention of Trubezkoi Cavalry .Only mention I can find is from Quincy Adams who mentions him as ADC
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Ras le 18 février 2010, 12:00:40 pm
All Above is what I have.From Lieven & Bowden.No mention of Trubezkoi Cavalry .Only mention I can find is from Quincy Adams who mentions him as ADC
Okay, thanks for looking it up. orendel has a different source book. Maybe he'll find him and can give better numbers for the scenario. But I guess it will be a fictional based on historical scenario.
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Ras le 18 février 2010, 12:07:26 pm
I got the idea from the "Project Leipzig 1813" page.
Here's what he got:
Citer
French Army (Napoleon)
- VII Corps (Reynier)
 32nd (French) Division
 Saxon Royal Corps
- I Cavalry Corps (Latour-Mauburg)
 1st Light Cavalry Division
 3rd Light Cavalry Division
 1st Cuirassier Division
- Guard Light Cavalry (Lefebre-Desnoettes)
Total: 11,000 Infantry , 5,400 Cavalry and 11 Batteries

Russian Army (Wurttemberg)
- 2nd Infantry Corps (Wurtemberg)
 3rd Division
 4th Division
 Corps Cavalry
- Reinforcements
 5th Division
 2nd Cuirassier Division
 Trubezkoi Cavalry (Corps?)
Total: 12,300 Infantry ; 7,180 Cavalry and 12 Batteries
Judging from that list, there's plenty of cavalry (what I want) and some support infantry.
Should be interesting. I'm trying to figure out if a 10km map is okay for that.
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Taff le 18 février 2010, 12:28:46 pm
Prince Yuri Petrovich Trubezkoi & just to narrow it down more he got an Order of Merit in 1814.Which no use for what you are looking for<G>
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 18 février 2010, 13:27:43 pm
Digby Smith says that General Prince Trubetzkoi led the following allied reinforcements at Reichenbach:

- GM Count Obolensky:
-- 3rd Ukrainian Cossack Pulk (4sqn)

- GM Pahlen II:
-- DragR Tver and Dorpat (2sqn each)

- Col Uvarov:
-- Lubny Hussars (2sqn)
-- 1 Horse battery

- GM Gengross:
-- DragR Mittau and Moscow (2sqn each)

- GM Millesimo:
-- DragR Kiev and Kharkov (3 sqn each)
-- 1 Horse battery

Artillery Reserve:
1/2 12 pdr battery
1 6pdr battery

Another artillery unit GM Nikitin:
1 Heavy battery
1 light battery
1 Horse battery

some unidentified infantry under General Mellentin
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Ras le 18 février 2010, 16:58:59 pm
Excellent, thanks very much.
Let's see if I can get us a nice battle out of this.
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Théodoricus le 19 février 2010, 17:27:26 pm
+2
Thanks a lot !

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Théodoricus
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: DominiqueT le 20 février 2010, 15:41:27 pm
You are doing a tremendous job ! Many thanks !
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Montecuccoli le 22 février 2010, 11:16:07 am
Thanks for those OOBs  :mrgreen:

Just a remind for everyone making oobs, remember (as written on the manual) that AI will make better plans if "she" has from 5 to any 5+n Corps.
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 22 février 2010, 16:05:07 pm
Thanks for those OOBs  :mrgreen:

Just a remind for everyone making oobs, remember (as written on the manual) that AI will make better plans if "she" has from 5 to any 5+n Corps.

This is an important point I neglected when I started this project. My first OoBs were very much based on the historical organizations and consisted of just a few, sometimes only one corps per side. Later on I tried to split the armies in more commands to respect both playability and the AI.
When I have finished all OoBs through 1815 I'm going to review all of them and try to make them more playable and AI-friendly.
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Ras le 22 février 2010, 20:58:22 pm
 :D Crazy how many you've already done.
I suppose it will take a while (and maybe the corresponding maps) before people realise what they got with your depot.
Great job.
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 22 février 2010, 23:35:52 pm
:D Crazy how many you've already done.
I suppose it will take a while (and maybe the corresponding maps) before people realise what they got with your depot.
Great job.

Thanks!
Well, I had holidays and it was winter - good conditions for making OoBs. Both have changed by now but work goes on...
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Count Miloradovich le 23 février 2010, 15:18:57 pm
Hi orendel

I just wanted to say that you doing a great job.
Maybe this can help you: http://www.cgsc.edu/carl/nafziger/index.asp

Keep up the good work.
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: glaude1955 le 23 février 2010, 15:34:57 pm
Good site but how does it function? 
How to find the desired oob ?

 
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 23 février 2010, 16:27:33 pm
Wow, this site is a treasure! Thanks, Count Miloradovich!

Here is a complementary site with explanations for the Nafziger code numbers:
http://home.fuse.net/nafziger/NAP.HTM (http://home.fuse.net/nafziger/NAP.HTM)
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Théodoricus le 24 février 2010, 07:45:37 am
12th post, I think !
Thanks again, Orendels.

 :D
Théodoricus
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Théodoricus le 26 février 2010, 19:38:16 pm
Thanks for your big work and time you spend on searching good historical sources so as we can make use of them on HWLG.

Merci pour ce gros travail et le temps passé à chercher de bonnes sources historiques de manière à ce qu'on puisse les utiliser dans HWLG.

 :D
Théodoricus
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: mccourt le 28 février 2010, 20:43:30 pm
Orendel

Some great work here and thank you.

One point, and it might only be me and certainly not a criticism, on the Raszyn OOB, the command groups for French forces are all showing as austrians?. I changed Poniatowski in the OOB and that changed the figures within the game but then, even when changing the divisonal commanders in the OOB, they are still showing up in game as austrians. Not the end of the world but not sure how this is happening  :D

Thanks

Tom
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 01 mars 2010, 16:42:41 pm
Orendel

Some great work here and thank you.

One point, and it might only be me and certainly not a criticism, on the Raszyn OOB, the command groups for French forces are all showing as austrians?. I changed Poniatowski in the OOB and that changed the figures within the game but then, even when changing the divisonal commanders in the OOB, they are still showing up in game as austrians. Not the end of the world but not sure how this is happening  :D

Thanks

Tom

I looked it up but I'm not sure what you mean. The pro-french force at Raszyn consists of Poles and Saxons exclusively (no french troops here), the anti-french side is Austrian. All appear correctly. The pro-french commanders are all Poles, because the editor doesn't allow Saxon commanders.
Maybe you mistook the Saxons with their white uniforms as Austrians?
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: mccourt le 01 mars 2010, 17:39:04 pm
Orendel
The figures shown for the various army and division commanders on the French (Polish/Saxon) side are using the same figures as the Austrian side. I changed the nationality of Poniatowski to French from Duchy of Warsaw and this resolved the figures for the army commander but didnt work for the Divisional commanders. So the Divisional commanders are in Austrian uniforms.
It doesnt affect the gameplay and I can live with it.  :smile: Just wondered if anyone else had a similar issue.
Thanks
Tom
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: mccourt le 01 mars 2010, 17:57:50 pm
Made a slight fix. Changed the nationality of the commanders in the OOB to French from Duchy of Warsaw and then changed to the commander to a corresponding french commander. Then renamed them to the Polish commander. They now show as French command rather than Austrian. Not sure if this is a problem with all of the Duchy of Warsaw command, didnt have this as a problem previously in the demo.

Thanks

Tom
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: mccourt le 01 mars 2010, 20:39:36 pm
jus checked with Duchy of Warsaw troops in other OOBs such and it doesnt happen elsewhere.

Tom
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 01 mars 2010, 23:13:34 pm
Ohhh, I must confess, I never checked the appearance of commander uniforms.  :oops:
Great that you have an eye for it.  :smile:

Cheers!
orendel
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Théodoricus le 04 mars 2010, 20:32:24 pm
Waouh ! Three in one time !
Thanks a lot.

 :smile:
Théodoricus
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Montecuccoli le 05 mars 2010, 12:03:35 pm
This discussion is so important i have stickied it.

Thanks orendel for your efforts
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: DominiqueT le 05 mars 2010, 17:58:08 pm
Thank your very much !

You are doing a tremendous job !
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Bruguière le 05 mars 2010, 18:15:23 pm
Thanks lieutenant !!!  ;)
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: DominiqueT le 05 mars 2010, 18:45:21 pm
Orendel deserves a promotion and to become Officier d'Histwar, don't you think so ?
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 05 mars 2010, 19:06:30 pm
Thank you all, but I just got addicted to the OoB editor.   :D
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: glaude1955 le 06 mars 2010, 17:38:14 pm
You are untiring Lieutenant. You create more quickly than we play! 
Thank you

Yves

Vous êtes infatigable Lieutenant. Vous créez plus vite que nous jouons ! 
Merci
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: corsin84 le 07 mars 2010, 19:50:50 pm
Thank you for everything sacred work!
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Yankee1950 le 08 mars 2010, 00:26:38 am
Thanks for your hard work.  I will be posting some HistWar scenarios both here and at wargamer.com.  I will use your OOBs whenever possible as this allows me to concentrate on the map design.  I assume this is OK with you - if not please let me know and I will stop.  In every scenario that I post I will give you mention as the OOB designer (the least I can do). 

Thanks again for your hard work.

Regards

 Yankee1950 :D
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 08 mars 2010, 16:03:54 pm
I will use your OOBs whenever possible as this allows me to concentrate on the map design.  I assume this is OK with you - if not please let me know and I will stop.  In every scenario that I post I will give you mention as the OOB designer (the least I can do). 

No problem but an honour! The point of posting the OoBs is sharing with the community. Feel free to use and to change!
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: EylauHurricane le 10 mars 2010, 18:43:34 pm
Hi Orendel!  :p
Please, do u have a precise OOB for the Russian and Prussians at Heilsberg? I have one precise for French; regarding the allied side, only regiments and number of bataillons but WITHOUT strenghts in men. I've in mind to make a scenario for Heilsberg... :roll:
If u can help me... Bye! ;)
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Count von Csollich le 10 mars 2010, 18:56:16 pm
Hi Orendel!  :p
Please, do u have a precise OOB for the Russian and Prussians at Heilsberg? I have one precise for French; regarding the allied side, only regiments and number of bataillons but WITHOUT strenghts in men. I've in mind to make a scenario for Heilsberg... :roll:
If u can help me... Bye! ;)
great idea EylauHurricane...how do you have in mind to figure out the deep russian defensive system? and how are you going to show this on the map?
thanks for the effort though to both of you...looking forward to it  :mrgreen:
CvC
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 10 mars 2010, 19:29:13 pm
Hi Orendel!  :p
Please, do u have a precise OOB for the Russian and Prussians at Heilsberg? I have one precise for French; regarding the allied side, only regiments and number of bataillons but WITHOUT strenghts in men. I've in mind to make a scenario for Heilsberg... :roll:
If u can help me... Bye! ;)

Sorry, but I can't help you. My sources for Heilsberg are not as exact.  :(

Cheers,
orendel
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: EylauHurricane le 11 mars 2010, 11:18:29 am
Ok. Don't worry! I'll try to make it respecting the total number of forces and historical theorical strenght in men of bataillons and squadrons, and correcting it with some data found in Petre and may be Hopfner (even if they are a bit "generic").

Thank you anyway ;)
Titre: First edition finished
Posté par: orendel le 12 mars 2010, 09:48:09 am
 :D I'm through!!!  :D
Here we have OoBs for all battles 1805-1815 without Prussians or British.

NEXT STEP:
I grant myself 4 weeks for playtesting, recieving feedback, correcting errors and splitting smaller armies into more commands for better playability. Then I'm going to post updates together with a table that includes some information about all the battles as a quick reference.

When this is done, time of waiting starts (for the Prussians, the British or even both?)

Have fun!
orendel
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: spec10 le 12 mars 2010, 10:48:38 am
Your work is outstanding! Would it be ok with you, if I made your OOBs available on the File Depot (http://hwlg.guggs.de)?
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 12 mars 2010, 11:40:20 am
Your work is outstanding! Would it be ok with you, if I made your OOBs available on the File Depot (http://hwlg.guggs.de)?

No problem, but... I'm going to update some of the files in the future and I see the danger that there will be updated files here and old versions on the File Depot. Maybe you could just post links to the files located here to circumvent this problem?
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: spec10 le 12 mars 2010, 11:53:42 am
Having external links on a File Depot entry is possible, but the problem is, if you're not logged in here in the forums, you're not allowed to see / download the attachments. That would mean all the links would be deadlinks for people who aren't registered and logged in here :(

A countersuggestion from me would be, that I promise you to keep the files updated, as long as you notify me when there is an update available. Let me know what you think, I'm sure we can work something out. :)

//edit: I got another Idea. Will send you a PM in a few minutes :)
//edit2: PM sent :)
Titre: Re : Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: EylauHurricane le 12 mars 2010, 14:04:16 pm
great idea EylauHurricane...how do you have in mind to figure out the deep russian defensive system? and how are you going to show this on the map?
thanks for the effort though to both of you...looking forward to it  :mrgreen:
CvC

Sorry, Count, for my late answer!!! I don't have a precise idea at the moment: it will "rise"   :mrgreen: in the next week-end (from tomorrow). Only a thing, for the moment,  to improve the playability: I think to "suppress" the river Alle, transforming it in a stream. It's possible, anyway,  to make two differents maps: one with a true river, one with a stream, and confront the results about the playability. But it requires more time, of course. I'll let you know soon! All suggestion is well accepted, of course!!! ;)

Bye :smile:
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Théodoricus le 12 mars 2010, 19:16:28 pm
:D I'm through!!!  :D
Here we have OoBs for all battles 1805-1815 without Prussians or British.

NEXT STEP:
I grant myself 4 weeks for playtesting, recieving feedback, correcting errors and splitting smaller armies into more commands for better playability. Then I'm going to post updates together with a table that includes some information about all the battles as a quick reference.

When this is done, time of waiting starts (for the Prussians, the British or even both?)

Have fun!
orendel

Thanks a lot for your hard work on OdBs that might help me in some scenarios as I said in my Elchigen's battle.
Now you can have some fun too with playtesting.

I'll wait for your next OoBs !

 :D
Théo
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Jean Lafitte le 16 mars 2010, 22:30:45 pm
Wonderful!  Thank you so much for creating this !

 :D
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: AJ le 16 mars 2010, 22:55:02 pm
You deserve a promotion!!!!!!!
Titre: New update of OoBs- all in one with reference table
Posté par: orendel le 14 avril 2010, 09:28:20 am
Hi all!
As anounced, here is the new update. All OoBs for 111 battles between 1805 and 1815 in one zip-file, together with a reference table providing some information about the battles. Remember that you can see the CEH of both forces by the numbers in the filenames [name][FrenchCEH]x[AlliedCEH].
OOBs for the following files were altered during the last 4 weeks:
- 1805Caldiero
- Wertingen
- Haslach
- Herbrechtingen
- Duernstein
- 1805Hollabrunn
- Czarnowo
- Golymin
- Hof
- Braunsberg
- Regensburg
- Muchaviec
- Suffelweyersheim

Generally you can just update by overwriting them, but I think I changed the 1805Caldiero filename because CEH of one side has changed. You should delete the 2 obsolete 1805Caldiero files manually.

HAVE FUN!
orendel
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: ess1 le 16 avril 2010, 18:54:37 pm
Many thanks for your efforts in sharing this with us.
 :D
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Alfiere le 16 mai 2010, 11:52:29 am
Search help to Orendel for historical OOB

Auerstadt  14-10-1806
Castiglione 5-8-1796

Thank for eventual reply.
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: EricJ le 18 mai 2010, 22:25:27 pm
Hello,

what kind of help do you need ?

For the battle of auersteadt, I can give you an accurate order of battle (the historical sources are French)... Tell me if this is what do you need.

But it seems to me that these two battles can't be made with HWLG without a mod, no ?
Titre: Re : Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: Alfiere le 19 mai 2010, 07:17:26 am
Hello,

For the battle of auersteadt, I can give you an accurate order of battle (the historical sources are French)... Tell me if this is what do you need.

But it seems to me that these two battles can't be made with HWLG without a mod, no ?

Need a mod....what a fool I am, i have made a satellite map without being able to have OOB.
Sorry and thank for reply.
Titre: Orendels OoB depot - The year 1815
Posté par: orendel le 16 janvier 2011, 17:18:52 pm
Thanks to the excellent Belgian campaign mod I present my versions of the OoBs for the battles:
- Fleurus
- Ligny
- Quatre Bras
- Waterloo
- Wavre
- Namur

You have to install the mod to use them.

Have fun!
orendel
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: thilio le 16 janvier 2011, 18:49:28 pm
Many thanks  ;)
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: bibouba le 16 janvier 2011, 18:53:35 pm
I will try it. I m very happy that someone has done other odb for the belgium campaign. You ve all the regiments in the mod to create your own odb, and as there are too many troops you ve to make a choice between the troops.

So I hope that we will have a lot of different odb for these battles to find the best one.
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: bibouba le 16 janvier 2011, 18:59:13 pm
Just open the waterloo one. But you didn't place the reinforcement and the place of all regiment ?
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: orendel le 17 janvier 2011, 14:37:35 pm
I don't think that I could make the the existing Belgian scenarios that come with the mod better. That's why I did not set any reinforcement times and historical position of units.
My purpose is to allow players to quickly set up a battle of, e.g. the French of Ligny against the Russians of Borodino or the French of Wagram against the Allies of Waterloo.
Titre: Re : Orendels OoB depot
Posté par: igor markitanov le 04 octobre 2022, 07:20:45 am
How to install scripts in the game ???Installation path please !