HistWar
HistWar (English zone) => General discussions => Discussion démarrée par: AJ le 18 janvier 2010, 17:10:07 pm
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I love the concept and I am studying the manual and trying to put it into practice in demo1 before committing to buy. However I find demo1 full of bugs etc.. I do want to purchase but I need to see a workable and stable demo before I buy.
Is it possible to allow non Grenadiers to have Demo2 now.
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Is it possible to allow non Grenadiers to have Demo2 now.
I agree !
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I may be wrong, but as I understand it, demo II is currently being beta-tested by those who have pre-ordered, and will eventually be given a general release. My impression - which I think is shared by most, if not all - is that demo II is a significant improvement and is well worth waiting for.
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I pre-ordered & have just been playing Demo #2 with patch #2 = much improved :smile:
JMM has clearly been listening to criticism & bug reports & has made many 'repairs'.
I imagine (but don't 'know') that it will soon be on general release.
It was definitely worth waiting for.
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Guys Demo 2 is really good and the game will improve even after release.
So join us with the game and have fun to improve it.
As JCM101 sad. :smile:
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I am probably going to say something that will upset a lot of people, so let me precede this by acknowledging the enormous amount of work that the team has put into this project. I also have full confidence that the project will be wildly successful.
However, when a group of people are so totally immersed in a project they can lose sight of the broader picture ("You can't see the woods for the trees").
As a business man, I know that when I give a free sample of my product to someone in the hope that they will buy: It better work!!
Demo1 is unstable and unpredictable and to the world outside of the "Grenadiers", will not sell the simulation. The Manual is confusing, overly complicated, repetitive and presumes a high level of war gaming knowledge has already been attained. To this end, I humbly suggest the manual is reviewed by a non war gaming, game designer ( Graphic Trees, illustrating examples of Command and Movement scenarios, would help).
I understand that Demo2 is being evaluated so that this situation is rectified, good. Then and only then, will the "Conscripts" consider buying it.
I also understand that this is not primarily a commercial project, but rather a labor of love. The simulation will not appeal to the general gamer but rather to us blessed few who were bitten, at a tender age, by the bug when we played with our first lead soldiers (as I was). I do however beg you members of the Elite "Grenadiers" to remember; that the backbone of an Army is it's humble "Conscripts". You must feed our bellies so that we fight well!!!!!!!!!!
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Truer words have nerer been spoken. ;)
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I understand perfectly what you say and you've every right to 'wait and see what happens'. As it is, I, some time ago, pre-ordered in the understanding that it was some kind of a risk. Now, I still don't regret my decision because for me HWLG is more than a game, but also some kind of a project destined to give grognards a chance to play Napoleonic wargames. By the way, it's quite interesting to try out the demo II and JMM really listens to comments made by the grenadiers.
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With all due respect. We can't try out demo2 yet (not available to us) and it's the comments from the "Conscripts" that JMM needs to consider too.
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Correct. :|
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The first demo was released in very bad conditions... The feedback was very hard but I can understand because this first package wasn't the best.
So, I have to be very careful for avoiding a new bad package.
I know a lot of people are waiting for the demoII. Sorry for this frustration, but this second package must be right, otherwise the consequences will be terrible.
HW:LG presents a lot of features, and because there are a lot of features, maybe it's a bit more complex to find the different problems. Now, I believe it runs right at 99.9...%, so sometimes there are some issues. My intention isn't to get 100%, but I have to delete some annoying bugs before releasing the second demo.
So, I hope I a clear and you understand my intention.
JMM
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Thank you JMM, I think you are absolutely correct. When I try demo2, I want to be able to say "This is great, now I'm going to buy it".
Please, please consider adding "Graphics Trees to the Manual". There really does need to be some simple A to Z graphics of various movement and command scenarios.
Keep up the good work Mon General.
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Ah ha, a word from le general and the troops are settled. What good will there is here! (and just when the panicky were considering a 'whiff of grapeshot' :P )
I do believe your concerns are all correct. The idea of a demo is try before you buy and surely that is the intention histwar has in making it. So, your patience will be rewarded. :)
Ajlewisbrookes, being a visual type, I like the idea of 'graphics trees' but I'm not quite sure where you would use them. Could you provide an example?
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Bonjour Messieurs,
I agree with Msr. Brookes .... :)
That said, HW:LG concepts are probably only encountered in military academies .... :|
But, most 'rank-and-file' wargamers have no such knowledge (no disrespect intended, but things were different back then, just ask G. Washington) .... and Demo 1 would be a sure-fire loser to them .... like it or not, we live in a predominately arcade world .... :(
Why? Not many (if any) 'mainstream' history books go into detail about Napoleonic battle concepts presented in HW:LG .... so some consideration must be given to a 'bridge-the-gap' education angle in the marketplace .... ;)
OK, philosophy rant over ... back to business .... *cracks open another cold-one* .... :smile:
Cordialement, DoE
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I have to agree with Duke of Earl.
Believe it or not, there were sound business reasons for releasing the first demo when it was, no matter what condition it was in at the time. After breaking with the previous publisher, JMM had to show the world that he had a product, any product, or people would have ripped him to shreds on various other forums.
And I'm glad he did release that first demo. I took one look and realized that no matter what kind of bugs we saw, we had a solid game that would eventually be polished into the best Napoleonic game that's ever existed. When I pre-ordered the game, I figured I was paying for the demo, and even if I never got anything else I'd have been happy.
The thing that's so special about HWLG for me is that it incorporates almost everything I know about Napoleonic warfare, and I've been studying that for decades. All the things written by various theorists of the period and in personal accounts has come to life in the game. All that and I get to view the battle through the eyes of the men on the field, something we've never had before, and even though the scale is about 3x normal size due to the fact that each figure represents 10 men, it's accurate enough to give a good feel for the warfare of the period. You can see the massive scale of these battles.
I am most definitely a Napoleonic enthusiast, and the game speaks to me in a way that no others have. I've learned things from the game that you can't learn from books, because sometimes you just have to see the process in action. I saw things that I questioned at first, but upon further study I understood and agreed with them.
Napoleonic warfare is fascinating, partially because of the way the weapons and tactics blended together to form a balanced whole. To me, the Napoleonic period is the pinnacle of warfare. Some people won't be as interested in it as I am, but that's ok. For those who are interested, grab this game while you can because you'll probably never see anything like it again.
A more casual gamer might be put off a bit because of all the new things to learn; but if you stay with it, you may find you like it. This won't be like any other game you've ever played. HWLG is a serious wargame and a simulation, but that doesn't mean it's not fun. If you're new to this genre or this type of warfare, play for a while and you'll begin to understand the game and how it works, and you may find that it's a great experience. And you'll definitely learn more about the Napoleonic battlefield than many Famous Historians ever did. :)
Hook
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True words Hook,
an if you think something is wrong, grap some books an try to proof that it is wrong. I´m pretty sure JMM will corect it then ;)
but more you will learn that this was the way the battles did go.
I had also to clear my mind of some Hollywood visions.... even fter reading so many books... rofl
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I am glad to see a beautiful discussion considering even some aspects of the game to be perfected.
Thanks everyone for this tone of discussion, this really help in the growing of the game and the community, every idea by now written has my own support.
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Hi :D
I'm very new to this forum (joined about 20 mins ago), so would really appreciate any help with my question. :roll:
Where Oh where is DEMO2, (or DEMO3 for that matter)??
I have tried 5 times to download and run the Demo on the Home Web Page with no success. :cry:
I'm VERY VERY keen to purchase the game, but without having a Demo that works I simply wont part with my hard earned dollars.
Having found NTW a HUGE disapointment I'm hoping that HWLG will provide that Napoleonic gaming experiance that I can only get from a miniatures game at present.
Thanks
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Where Oh where is DEMO2
Not yet...
The Demo2 isn't finished. I have to be sure this demo works fine on all front lines.
The first patch (01a) fixes several issues, but yet there are some bugs I want erase before launching the Demo2.
Today, Les Grenadiers help me a lot to find the problems... but as you konw, the team is very very very small and these adjustments need a few time.
Patience.. no other way :p
JMM
PS : that said, maybe we have to rebuild the first demo for fixing some bad issues.. What do you think about this idea?
Perhaps this task only needs a few time.
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Patience.. no other way :p
JMM
PS : that said, maybe we have to rebuild the first demo for fixing some bad issues.. What do you think about this idea?
Perhaps this task only needs a few time.
Hi JMM
Thanks for your very prompt reply :D
I'm happy to wait, as I'm sure the game (and demo) is worth the wait :p
As for your "P.S." suggestion; that might be a good idea. Either way I'd just like to see a demo PRIOR to me buying the game.
What I've seen and heard, the game is fantastic and I'm looking forward to having a crack at it.
Cheers!
:)
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PS : that said, maybe we have to rebuild the first demo for fixing some bad issues.. What do you think about this idea?
Perhaps this task only needs a few time.
I think the content of the Demo I (except the bugs of course) is more than sufficient. Think how much time, players as me spent on it even with its bugs, so let us imagine (almost) without bugs !
And commercially speaking, the goal of such demo is to convince to buy the complete game, so, may be it is not necessary to go too far. In my opinion, Demo I is the right level.
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In my opinion, Demo I is the right level.
Demo I has some problems, so as a sales & marketing tool it needs updating- it didn't behave at all well on my machine. Having said that, half an hour later I was ordering the digital download - there was enough there to convince me that this was a game worth investing in and I was right.
However, there are clearly still some people adopting a wait-and-see approach and all of the positive posts here on these forum pages don't appear to be able to sway them.
Selfishly, since I've already bought it, I'd rather see JMM invest his time in something else :mrgreen:...
...but he probably should look at it sooner rather than later.
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Demo 1 had enough in it to spark any interest for this era. I would say leave demo 1 alone and concentrate on demo 2 which is the important one. JMM is right concerning demo 2, when it is released then the players can see how good it is and the orders for the game will increase.
And while I'm at it, could I thank JMM and his beta team for the hard work they have put in so far. This game is so special that most players are willing to wait!
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Any news on Demo 2?
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I think JMM is putting all his efforts into Patches for the release but he'll have to answer that one himself.
I myself, said I was going to wait for demo 2 but I changed my mind ( it was me who started this thread you are posting in) and not one regret. The release is incredible and many of the guys have already made available new scenarios, maps and oob's.
Yes, we have our lively debates about bugs and the evolution of the game, but you have to realize, we are debating with each other about a game that already stands head and shoulders, and always will, above all others.
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May you please answer some of my questions on the game? Firstly what is the smallest unit one can command and secondly, does the AI for different nations have a set character?
Like for example The British would typically use the Reverse Slope tactic behind the crest of a hill where as other nations would simply form their line on the crest itself. Would I see such details? (I know Brits are not released :P)
Cheers
Dom
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Dom, there are others on this Forum, such as Hook, who are far better qualified than I to answer you in full but this is what I understand.
Currently AI has the same program for the French and the Allies, although I have seen the Austrians attacking in massed column. You can change the way AI reacts for diferent armies and types of unit in the Doctrine Editor. This in essence, makes the AI customisable. I also know from discussions on previous posts, that AI will be programmed for the Brits, when that expansion arrives, with "Reverse Slope Tactics". Finally the smallest unit you can command is Regiment, however you can deploy skirmishers from an Infantry regiment.
Hope this helps
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The smallest unit you can command is either a regiment of infantry, cavalry or a battery of artillery
and concerning the AI...this is one of the special features of this game....the British are this huge a task to complete, before implemented because of the reverse slope AI...
you can influence the behaviour of your nations with the doctrine editor...but the default settings have taken exactly your thoughts into consideration...
CvC
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Firstly what is the smallest unit one can command
Smallest unit is a regiment of infantry consisting of 2 to 6 battalions. Smallest artillery is generally a battery of 4 to 8 guns or more... I've seen up to 24. Cavalry regiment has 2 to 4 squadrons, maybe more.
... and secondly, does the AI for different nations have a set character?
There are only a few national differences. Artillery range, amount of artillery ammo, march speeds for various types of units. Everything else is controlled by the doctrine editor where each nationality can have its own doctrines. There may be some differences in what percentage of your force can be guard, or artillery, or cavalry in the order of battle editor, but I haven't checked that out.
Hook
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I knew those two would help me out!!!!!!
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Many thanks to the three of you :) Exactly what I was hoping to hear.
Cheers
Dom
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I hate to bring up this subject again but since the actual demo refuses to run on my machine i want to know when the new demo will be available?
I´m seriously want to buy the game (just bought Gettysburg and have a blast) but before i hand out almost 40,- € i want to know if i am able to run Histwar!
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I hate to bring up this subject again but since the actual demo refuses to run on my machine i want to know when the new demo will be available?
I´m seriously want to buy the game (just bought Gettysburg and have a blast) but before i hand out almost 40,- € i want to know if i am able to run Histwar!
Did you download the new one. It's not the Demo2 but the first demo with several bugs fixed up.
If you got the trouble with this last demo, could you send me the file spyboard.txt (folder tracking) to technique@histwargames.com
THX
JMM
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Did you download the new one. It's not the Demo2 but the first demo with several bugs fixed up.
If you got the trouble with this last demo, could you send me the file spyboard.txt (folder tracking) to technique@histwargames.com
THX
JMM
Thx for the heads-up this newer demo runs with my PC and i am trying the tutorials now!
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And yet another one saved by the Cavalry :) :) :) :)
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I need some help in the twcenter:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=350346
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I tried to help Darsh, view my post and tell me what you think
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thanks for your help ajlewisbrookes ;).
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No problem my friend. We all have our little squabbles on this Forum but that's just friends debating. When it comes to the outside world we need to be a team.
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Thank you for your support...
Just a comment : I read
"You have got to be kidding me about the below. I played the demo.... just not the more recent one. Soldiers with all their heads cut off. I would not call the interface intuitive at all. Eye catching 3D graphics? WHAT drugs is this guy on?"
If the soldier are headless, it's not the demo.. just a bad use, for example trying to play the demo with other battles!!!
It's not the best...
That said, it's incredible to compare the 100 men of Combat Mission and at least 10 000 men of HW.. some units with 200 units in HW.. and so on.. Yes, there are some bugs yet, but I think this program is a bit more complex than other games, and sure I have to fix some issues.
JMM
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I played the demo.... just not the more recent one. Soldiers with all their heads cut off.
Was it even possible to get headless soldiers in the first demo? He said he played that one, but not the more recent one. It sounds to me like he tried pirating the game. No one tell him what he did wrong though, so he doesn't have a chance of figuring it out.
JMM, you'll see a lot of bad comments on the twcenter forums. Ignore them.
Hook
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Perhaps JMM should gone on the twcenter and explain somethings about Histwar. ;)
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Hook : you are right; this protection wasn't installed in the first version!
Darsh: not yet! I need a bit rest after the bad review on Cyber.
With Perrine, we define a new road map... I think the best way -today- is to wait the best days!
During this phase, I'll continue to work on your game (MP, bugs.. and other tasks)!
After that, we'll see ;)
That said, Huge Thanks to all for your help and your support!
JMM
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Perhaps JMM should gone on the twcenter and explain somethings about Histwar. ;)
I don't think this is necessary...because a certain kind of people is simply not ready for such a game...they want graphics and action - ok....NTW is made for that!
most of all JMM shouldn't let himself be bothered with such kinds of silly posts, (knowing the guy from wargamer too - well it's no big surprise!) - people on such forums with such an attitude do not deserve further attention!
CvC
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I won't waste any more of my energy on it. I need it all for fighting my pbem games today. Let the naysayers whine, in my opinion they are just playing at being real Gronards.
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most of all JMM shouldn't let himself be bothered with such kinds of silly posts
Agreed, some people will never understand this concept, no matter how much time you spend trying to explain it......for me JMM would be best getting the worst bugs fixed - then word will spread and sales will go up.
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Well, I've already sent the info about HW-LG to a friend of mine who is now responsible for a Military History magazine in the UK ("Britain at War"). If he likes it, maybe he can make some publicity.
Regards,
António
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Well, I've already sent the info about HW-LG to a friend of mine who is now responsible for a Military History magazine in the UK ("Britain at War"). If he likes it, maybe he can make some publicity.
Regards,
António
Nice... however, English aren't in the game yet :smile: ;)
THX
JMM 8)
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Neither the Portuguese... But I have already bought HW-LG.
Regards,
António
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Just the Potuguese Troops (Légion portuguaise)... 5 regiments in the game...
JMM
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Yes, forgot the Legion!
Regards,
António
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By the way, I don't know which were your sources, but when it was formed, the Légion Portugaise had initially the following composition (February/March 1808):
* Line Infantry regiment nº 1 (2 battalions)
* Line Infantry regiment nº 2 (2 battalions)
* Line Infantry regiment nº 3 (2 battalions)
* Line Infantry regiment nº4 (troops were enough to form only 1 battalion)
* Line Infantry regiment nº5 (2 battalions)
* Cavalry regiment nº 1
* Cavalry regiment nº 2 (never marched to France, remaining in Lisbon to support the French troops)
* Cavalry regiment nº3 (changed the name to nº2 after the Sintra Convention in August 1808)
* 1 squadron of Light Cavalry (Caçadores a Cavalo) (divided by the 2 cavalry regimentts in France after the Sintra Convention in August 1808)
* 1 Light Infantry battalion (Caçadores)
So, in order to be historical, you should have:
2 Cavalry regiments
5 Line Infantry regiments
1 Battalion of Caçadores
Regards,
António
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Napoleon's Regiment (Digby Smith)
In the book, "Raised on 18 May 1808 at a paper strength of 5 infantry and 2 cavalry regiments; by May 1811, these had reduced to 3 ans 1 respectively. Disbanded 25 November 1813"
Right, the CAV aren't in the game... I don't remember the reason... maybe the uniform?
JMM
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I can send you a pic with the uniform if you want. =)
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I won't waste any more of my energy on it. I need it all for fighting my pbem games today. Let the naysayers whine, in my opinion they are just playing at being real Gronards.
You should look the war between the pro-histwar and the anti-histwar in the twcenter!!! ;)
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Can you give us a link please?
Because I don't know the twcenter at all....
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Can you give us a link please?
Because I don't know the twcenter at all....
Pas de prob!!! ;)
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=350346
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Congratulations Darsh for defending HW this way ;)
You are not alone in the pro-HW team but the other players of both HW and NTW don't seem to have join us on this forum?
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Heh I quit playing TW games long ago. I really don't get the knock on the graphics of Histwar. I find them to be outstanding and actually prefer them to the silly Hollywood graphics of TW. Besides, if that's all that game has I can just look at screenshots (why buy the cow when the milk is free? :lol:).
I don't have anything against TW, it's a fine series to introduce someone to wargaming and all but I grew out of it pretty quick. :)