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HistWar (English zone) => General discussions => Discussion démarrée par: Darsh le 15 janvier 2010, 19:21:02 pm
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The two games will be released in the same time, what will you buy?
HWLG for me
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I would say both, but my pc can't handle NTW by the way i am curios to see NTW :)...maybe in the future
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i will not buy ntw after all we should already have it in the release of empires shouldnt we? this is just prooth ca have forgot about there customers happyness and started concentrating on the thickness of there wallets!
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HWLG
sans réfléchir ! (pas besoin tellement c'est évident pour un Wargamer, un pur, un dur...)
without thinking! (not need so it is obvious for a Wargamer, a pure, a hard...)
Yves
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I think obviously for a historical gamer the choice cant be hard.....
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La question ne se pose même pas :mrgreen: Qui a créé ce topic :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
HWLG !!!
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Bonjour Messieurs,
I don't mind polls in the least little bit (uhmmmm... like stripper poles, for instance :lol:) ..... after all, feedback is good .... but some polling can lead to politickin' .... and politickin' leads to duelling .... and I DO MIND duelling .... so keep it neutral and be nice .... and we can all vote for the stripper of our choice ..... :lol:
Cordialement, DoE
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What a strange question !!!!!
HWLG of course.............. :D ;)
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Good question. You wait for ages for a good Napoleonic game then two come along at once!
I have been fascinated by the napoleonic period for many years and enjoyed 'Imperial Glory' when it came out back in 2005. It was the first strategy computer game i had played and i was impressed with the eye candy, the breadth of the campaigns and the naval battles, despite all the obvious draw-backs in the land battle realism -lack of units routing or rallying but fighting to the last man etc etc...Then i discovered the total war series which had better battlefield behaviours, but not as good graphics at that time, and I hoped total war would focus on the period, but contented myself with the Lordz napoleonic mods of the existing total war games (Napoleonic total war 1: a mod of Medieval total war 1, and Napoleonic Total War 2 a mod for Rome total war). Both had limitations due to the nature of the underlaying game mechanics set in the age before gunpowder warfare, but they were enjoyable games and NTW2 was visually impressive- a real labour of love by the modders. When Empire TW was announced I thought that it would cover the Napoleonic period with the sort of impressive display that I had found with Medieval total war 2 and was excited by the prospect of the combination of high end graphics, the inclusion of naval warfare and the campaign aspect but after a long period of anticipation when the launch came i discovered that while my system could probably run it, the whole DRM system using Steam which they introduced just for this one, effectively excluded me, that and the hugly negative reports from users post launch ( need to download 100Mb patches at the machine on which you play , need to update online, often when you dont want too etc) became a deal breaker for me...I suspect Napoleon Total War will also have the same DRM, and huge graphic and memory requirements which would mean I would need to buy a new system to run it well and would need my gaming machine to be online even to play in solo mode...I regret this as I really enjoyed medieval2 and hoped the Napoleon would be the same sort of thing but in my favorite period.
I know Empire has subsequently improved now it has been fixed and judging from a few of the hugh number of youtube in game clips it can be visually impressive, looking film like in some battle sequences. But the combat is still limited to the old micromanaging 20 units so it may reproduce well a division size battle but not the sort of corps level actions we can play with HWLG.
The demo of HWLG runs like a dream on my system (under windows XP) and doesnt require online DRM of the sort that put me off ETW. We can play proper Napoleonic size battles in a way that it will not be possible with NTW, the unique fog of war aspect in HWLG really turns it into a simulation of napoleonic warfare...The graphics are not at the photorealistic level of NTW so they do not require the computing power that program will need to run well. They are good though, and in fact look as good as TW graphics at the usual distance the camera holds as we fight a battle...
Needless to say I have already purchased HWLG on the basis of the demo and what it promises when all the minor bugs are ironed out. I am already enjoying playing the Demo 2 ( pre-released to those who preorder) which has fixed some of the Demo 1 issues.
HWLG and NTW running at their design best will be very different sorts of game, the one emphasising realistic simulation of large scale battles the other a large scale campaign dominated by small scale battles....You pays your money and takes your choice!
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HWLG ;)
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I have come to the realization that I will not be buying either game.
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Both, without having to think...
Now if we could just have HLG with NTW graphics.....and 1:1 scale for men....
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I played TW a long time,
Some of you will know me from m2tw. I have to say that the decline of the TW series was a blow to me. I loved this games but they "CA" more and more missed the core of the art of fighting in the era they choosed for theire games. They never fixed a game to the end and they just let me behind with an unfinished empire and they want to sell me an other fraud.
Always they did bla we can do that bla, bla and that bla bla.... and at the end the next TW game got less features and more bugs..
They are down to a fantasy game with some units looking close to historical ones. Its ok if you like it. For me ETW was the end of TW.
Selling more with an other name "Napoleon" well ... IF they ever can catch the spirit of an era and the fighting style of it agin i might buy one again. But for now, no money for the betrayers and liars.
Histwar is the first try after Tyrcan to catch the warefare of an era in a correct way and the constant working and respons of JMM makes me say:
For me its HISTWAR. Our last chance for sim for along time
cheers
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i missed the "Take command.." games our other base for good gaming :oops:
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IAgree with LNDavout. I had ETW bought for me expecting Napoleon only to be very disappointed to find it not in there. On top of this the battles are awfull (and small). I will not be buying the Expansion Pack for sure. Has no appeal to me. Imperial Glory had a great campaign (a little simple but it had a great looking map) but the battles were pretty bad (but looked great). I have been waiting a long time for a decent Napoleonic game to come out (Played the old Napoleonic games). I have found I like a little bit of every game. Campaign map as Imperial Glory. The rifle range indicator and being able to hold fire until you wanted to fire in Cossacks II etc... I must admit that the Take Command Series is the best tactial game I have played (and I have put in many hours in this game). The original company that made the Take Command Series went out of business sadly however the project has been resurected Gettysburg Scourage of War. This uses the same engine but has been updated with propar 3d models :-). I am following it closely. There is also talk they may do a Napoleonic game after they are finished with this game. Anyways I am really looking foward to playing Histwar (full version) soon :-)
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Well the hype for NTW is cranking up with over 20 new videos per day appearing on you tube and the game is not even released yet! I just watched a multiplayer 2v2 battle from the developers narrated by the production team. The battle purports to be on the field of waterloo (one of the preset historical battles): see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP1kxfNcT3w
It is all eye candy (very nice too but at the price of 18Gb hard disk space!) but very little resemblance to the historical field or its iconic buildings or the combat it is supposed to be modeling. Grenadiers hurling grenades? that stopped in the 1740s didnt it? Infantry deploying stakes to repell cavalry - good at Agincourt but not in mobile infantry attacks! Hougoumont looks less like the original than Imperial Glory's attempt at the buildings.
Having spent some time with HWLG I now think that for the historical enthusiast interested in the nature of Napoleonic battles there is no difficulty of choice. HWLG is far better.
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Nix,
You're right - good eye candy. True, modders will get rid of grenades, stakes, etc, but it will be like all previous TW games: a bit of light-hearted fun. What does surprise me is that people continue to be surprised by this. TW games are not aimed at wargamers, they are aimed at a much bigger target audience who have a general interest in whatever period the game is covering. You either accept them for what they are or leave them!
I have played - and enjoyed - all previous TW games, but not for the battles but for the campaigns. In that sense, NTW might be a good game as it does offer something LG doesn't (yet?).
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Did you catch the English square instantly collapsing under a cavalry charge, maybe they forgot their sharpened stakes, or the Allied CinC, Henry V had an off day. Don't you just admire the speed march capabilities of the Spanish under their CinC Christopher Columbus, getting a whole army to Waterloo, fighting the Prussians, then getting back to Spain again before anyone noticed.
Sarcasm aside, I fear it will sell well. The graphics are good and it will appeal to the average PC combat gamer who isn't interested in historical reality. As for the graphics, I fight mostly in F2, I switch to F3 when things are going well and I want to watch, so I don't really care, although the time lag between 2D and 3D needs to be improved.
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Not only the square being cracked instantly...but have you seen 3 lines of infantry firing at once?...over each others heads??? (meaning that the battle shows three entire units standing in a row and firing in the same directtions without the last ones being positioned above the front ones)...hopefully at least the Naval battles will be fun... :mrgreen:
CvC
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Fair comment Petrus58, but it does surprise me when stuff that could be right without sacrificing 'game fun' and doesnt require much additional work is not attended to. The game is clearly aimed at the Napoleonic fan base many of whom will be anticipating some sort of 'historical sensitivity' (i'm not arguing for every detail correct or expecting anything like it). The game seems to claim some sort of historical motivation (being as it is story led campaign: a reworking of Napoleons rise and fall) and the preset battles are supposedly depictions of historical encounters, so that simple stuff like the battlefield terrain and the sort of combat weapons and tactics of the time should be recognisably close to the historical cases. After all it would then please both the folk who dont know the history as well as those who do. ( Take the battle of waterloo, probably the most well known battlefield of the wars, with more books devoted to it than any other single battle. If your going to include it one might as well do a good job of modelling the buildings of Hougumont and la haye saint since many enthusiasts will know them and be pleased to see how they are handled in a progeram that boasts such good graphics...Even 'Imperial Glory' back in 2005 attempted this.
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Fair comment Petrus58, but it does surprise me when stuff that could be right without sacrificing 'game fun' and doesnt require much additional work is not attended to. The game is clearly aimed at the Napoleonic fan base many of whom will be anticipating some sort of 'historical sensitivity' (i'm not arguing for every detail correct or expecting anything like it). The game seems to claim some sort of historical motivation (being as it is story led campaign: a reworking of Napoleons rise and fall) and the preset battles are supposedly depictions of historical encounters, so that simple stuff like the battlefield terrain and the sort of combat weapons and tactics of the time should be recognisably close to the historical cases. After all it would then please both the folk who dont know the history as well as those who do. ( Take the battle of waterloo, probably the most well known battlefield of the wars, with more books devoted to it than any other single battle. If your going to include it one might as well do a good job of modelling the buildings of Hougumont and la haye saint since many enthusiasts will know them and be pleased to see how they are handled in a progeram that boasts such good graphics...Even 'Imperial Glory' back in 2005 attempted this.
If only!!!
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I think NTWwill not be a patch on Histwar, especially if it is anything like Empire. The battles are ridiculously small and very two dimensional - get in a really big line and fire at the enemy, without even thinking seriously about reserves. Oh and don't bother trying to assault a position, because you'll be bogged down in some ridiculous hand to hand animation for about twenty minutes even on open ground. It's a fantasy game and like most people here I like the campaign aspect of the TW series.
I think Histwar after playing it over the last few weeks is something really special with massive potential, it plays and feels like a napoleonic battle. I don't know of any other game where you can actually recreate battles so easily and to scale. The more I play the more intuitive it becomes and the more I like it. I would like to see a solo campaign aspect to it though.
The game is very young and as it evolves it will get better and better - the best thirty odd quid I've spent in a long time, thanks JMM.
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Both...
NTW for fun.
HTW for serious napoleonic wargame.
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NTW with a decent class "mod" ( perhaps thgis one : http://naptacwar.freeforums.org/ ) will be a good game for what's it's meant to be, quick action and fast keyboard skills, it will be good for MP gaming.
If there's no mod then there's no reason to buy it judging from the daft videos with thiose stupid stakes that appear out of thin air....you would have thought the people at CA would have learnt something this past year.
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If there's no mod then there's no reason to buy it judging from the daft videos with thiose stupid stakes that appear out of thin air....you would have thought the people at CA would have learnt something this past year.
I agree that things like stakes and grenades are ahistorical, but then haven't all TW games been similar in this respect (remember the fantasy units from RTW and Med2) ? Plus of course there is the campaign, which from the player reviews I've read sounds encouraging.
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Everything I've read so far about the campaign sounds good. Now all we need to do is encourage the TW modders to make a module to call HWLG to fight the battles on the field :)
Hook
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Everything I've read so far about the campaign sounds good. Now all we need to do is encourage the TW modders to make a module to call HWLG to fight the battles on the field :)
Hook
Now that would be something, especially with the drop-in battles in the campaign.
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Plus of course there is the campaign, which from the player reviews I've read sounds encouraging.
A lot of people do spend a lot of time on these Campaigns, I've tinkered around a tiny amount with them and can see some attraction, but for me the time is better spent on MP. Without the campaigns I'm sure TW sales would be no where near what they are.
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I've already bought HWLG, but, being a long time, (and long suffering) TW fan, will probably eventually buy Napoleon-TW, if only for the campaign, excitement, and eye candy.
But I'm very cautious after the debacle of Empire, which is still barely playable, especially in SP, even after one year and several "dubiously" useful patches.
As Gunner24 has said, the modders will undoubtly help Napoleon, (hopefully), as they have greatly helped Empire.
Where as we know that JMM will continue to improve an already good HWLG, definitely!
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Both! :smile:
Ntw and LG are very different from one another although they are in the same time period. For a lot of years I was hoping for a good Napoleonic computer game...finally after Age of Sail, Imperial Glory, etc... there are two.
Napoleon:Total War and Les Grognards fill that wish for me. The two game cover the entire ball field. Both are very good in what they do. Also I'm very into the naval aspect of warfare.
IMHO you can't go wrong with either one, and if you have both then you're in for a lot of fun :)
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Well, NTW arrives and confirms what many thought - stunning to look at but totaly UNplayable in SP mode, and maybe MP as well untill the first mods arrive.......the buildings look great, the few maps included look good but are way to over complicated and the overall graphics brillent, but game play is at the normal TW million miles per hour all over in 15 minutes.
I don't have much interest in SP, but for those that do there is a very simple choice, LG is very playable in SP mode, compared to NTW not being....I installed it and had two quick SP games to check it out, they will be the first and last !.
I will wait for mod that slows it down (one out already I believe) and makes MP games well worth while taking part in.
For me it will now be :
LG for as many PBEM as I can fit in and "arranged" MP games - with those who have time for it.
NTW(mod) for MP most evenings, where a game can be found without advanced booking.
Only my humble opinion, many die hard TW fans might well think it's the best so far, and it could well be so.
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Both good games, enter our lives at the same time :)
Histwar for pbem, NTW for MP clan games for me.
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In a moment of weakness it's turned out to be both.... :shock:
...bought NTW today at GameStation (had a £10 gift card to use).
Not yet installed so we will see.
If the game play's like Rome Total War (which I bought yesterday - Asda £6.99 IIRC) even with the RTR mod then it won't be a patch on HWLG but it will look very pretty (and I suspect that stakes are an as yet unexplored aspect of Napoleonic warfare we should all be aware of going forward)
I've had a bit of purchase fest in the last couple of days since I also bought TCM2 online.
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NTW is better than empire...more stable, more focused, and (this is a bias) in my favorite period of warfare.
As history is is unfettered rubbish, especially on the battlefield. That said, it's FUN unfettered rubbish.
As history, it is unworthy to unloose HWLG shoes.
If you can, by the both, they serve very different needs.
If I could only have one, of course, there would be NO decision: HW!!
Best,
Jim
"Cyrano"
:/7)
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but game play is at the normal TW million miles per hour all over in 15 minutes.
Yep. Only played a couple of SPs but definitely needs slowing down.
Anyway, patch is out as is a Marengo scenario (thanks EylauHurricane) so that's enough NTW for the moment.
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Guys, read this thread for the latest "Official" bad revue of NTW
http://www.histwar.org/forum/index.php/topic,4449.0.html
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Guys, read this thread for the latest "Official" bad revue of NTW
http://www.histwar.org/forum/index.php/topic,4449.0.html
Only Grenadiers will see that post :p... you can post the gameinformer link if you want :D
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Good point, I'll post it in "general discussions" In all language zones
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Sorry Monte, I put it in "Announcements"
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Yesterday i had my second 3v3 ntw battle. After the game (we won in 10 mins :lol:) i decided i am ready for the world mouse clicking championship. http://www.urban75.com/Mag/java7.html . I see CA improved etw too much, he must got beat up. :mrgreen:
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The Total War series is the Fast food of strategy games.
Nice look and taste, but always leaves you hungry for more substantial meals and makes you promise yourself never to eat junk again 8)
Michael
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Well I broke down and bought NTW
And I am not disappointed with my choice .
Will I ever buy HLG? Maybe . . . but not for a while.
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I used to play MTW and RTW when I was a kid but now that I really started to read about all these battles I like to play real games about them. So I found Histwar and It's great. I like that you take your time like the real generals did. I can't play the NTW games anymore the servers are full of baby kids that argue all the time and don't know anything aboiut the wars.
And NTw is too much to pay for a game now that I will be finished with in a month. I will stick to games like Histwar that I can keep for a year before I'm done.
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Well said that man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I will stick to games like Histwar that I can keep for a year before I'm done.
I'm sure it will last a lot longer than a year.
The only way I can see HWLG not being on our pc's for ever is if a major games company does a LG "copy" and I don't expect that will ever happen.