HistWar
HistWar (English zone) => General discussions => Discussion démarrée par: Link le 29 juin 2004, 18:29:10 pm
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Bonjour all,
I have a little marketing question for you. This is probably up to the publisher though (if any). 8)
If you answer no in the poll, please give a suggestion for an international name (optional).
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Bonsoir all,
I have come up with a couple of suggestions of my own… 8)
For the international release. Why not simply call it “Grognards” without the “Les” or “Grumblers”, which is the English word for Grognards.
I also have a completely different name as an alternative...
“Napoleon: Commander in chief”.
This is the way I’m thinking:
I think Histwar is not really a "wargame", nor a RTS. Maybe Histwar is the first FPC (First Person Commander :p), because you're really in the action, but you still command 100 regiments...
Therefore I think “Commander in chief”, or C-in-C for short, reflects the nature of the game and gives you a good hint what this game is all about. :wink:
/Lars L.
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"Napoleonic General 3D"
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"Viva La Emperor !!"
What wargamer worth his salt does not know that this phrase embodies the emperor Napoleon, and his campaigns??
regards
sunray
:D :D
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..........What wargamer worth his salt does not know that this phrase embodies the emperor Napoleon, and his campaigns??
regards
sunray
:D :D
sunray is absolutely correct on this one.
This is called "a no brainer."
When Les Grognards comes out, it won't matter what it is called. JMM, you could call it "Suzy's Blue Dress" and it's impact won't be lessened one bit. In my opinion, the world could do with a bit more French being spoken. :D
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Bonjour,
THX at all for these ideas..
Just an idea : What do you think about "Napoleon's Eagles" or "Imperial Eagles" or "Napoleonic Eagles"...
JMM
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Just an idea : What do you think about "Napoleon's Eagles" or "Imperial Eagles" or "Napoleonic Eagles"...
Could work, but nothing that makes me jump for joy. :P
I think a translation of "Les Grognards de Napoléon" to English, for the International release, will do just fine i.e. "Napoleon's Grognards". :)
The term "Grognards" is well known among wargamers. :wink: And "Napoleon" (perhaps the most well known person in the world thru all times) can possibly attract new wargamers. 8)
If I seek for a Napoleonic game I would look for a game with "Napoleon" in the title. :wink:
/Lars L.
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Bonjour,
THX at all for these ideas..
Just an idea : What do you think about "Napoleon's Eagles" or "Imperial Eagles" or "Napoleonic Eagles"...
JMM
I like the first two better than the last. In my opinion, "Napoleonic" is an all encompassing term that covers everything and everyone during this important Era. Actually, I like the first one best. It is pretty cool.
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Napoleon's Eagles http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~trochim/NE/NE.html Imperial Eagles too close to Imperial Glory http://www.imperialglory.com/ .
How about Napoleon's Marshals ? Napoleon's Grognards doesn't sound too bad either, although just having Grognard in the title may be a turn off to some. Grogs like ugly games.
:D
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Bonjour
and THX for these contributions! :D :D
(I didn't know the Napoleon Eagle product) :P
Bad place for this screenshot... but just a short presentation about the OoB
editor (for changing the colors of destinctives)
(http://www.lesgrognards.com/screenshots/080704-3.jpg)
(http://www.lesgrognards.com/screenshots/080704-2.jpg)
JMM
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What about " The hordes of the Corsican ogre" ? lol or " 1805-1815 : Glooms on Europe" double-lol ?
Sorry, I need to take a rest....
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Bonjour
Bad place for this screenshot... but just a short presentation about the OoB
editor (for changing the colors of destinctives)
(http://www.lesgrognards.com/screenshots/080704-3.jpg)
JMM
Now I understand how you'll satisfy modding desires and personal tastes.
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Honestly, I think that LES GROGNARDS is just fine. Apart from that, perhaps THE OLD GUARD.
Ivanmoe
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While us wargamers and historians know and recognise 'Les Grognards', many will not and won't have a clue what it means or what a game given that title will include. remember we want this game to sell to a wide audience, not just the hard core wargaming audience.
I would suggest a title with 'Napoleon' in it, then the subject matter is no longer in doubt.
How about 'Napoleon's Wars' or 'Napoleon, Empire and War', or 'The Campaigns of Napoleon' or something that summarises both the subject matter and game content.
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Another idea that's just a mix of others:
Napoleon: Les Grognards
which allows the publisher to put Napoleon in bigger letters (I'm sure they'll like that), still keeps the excellent Les Grognards name, and leave some space for sequels (Napoleon: the Old Guard, Napoleon: Empire, Napoleon: the Hundred Days, etc.)
Just my two cents.
Ob by the way that OoB is killer! I want to buy the game just for that :D
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Your ideas of having Napoleon in the name is valid but we have to remember that Les Grognards is not the full name. The full name is "Les Grognards de Napoléon"
which in English would be "Napoleon's Grognards".
I'm sure JMM want the series name in there too so it would be called
Histwar: Napoleon's Grognards.
Perhaps the publisher will have a say in this too. They are to know what sells or not. :wink:
/Lars L.
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Ob by the way that OoB is killer! I want to buy the game just for that :D
I can confirm that this OoB editor is very easy and powerful to work with. Powerful in that way it includes a database with a lot of regiments and generals with all the attributes needed.
There is also a map editor so it's very easy to create new battles. :D
I have made four of the historical battles, that will be included in the game, with the help of those editors. :wink:
/Lars L.
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One thing: Histwar has only meaning in French. It's kind of gobbledigook in English. I think it would be a bad idea to put it in the title.
What people need is something they can zero in very fast and know what the game is about in an instant when they scan a webpage or an aisle in their store.
I'm very interested in that type of game and neverless it totally got lost in the background noise for me for months! I think the name could be one of the reasons I did not see it (although I'm sure I read the name on IGN or wargamer.com). It didn't grab my attention. I would even say that the name of Grognards is for me more a name used by old wargamers than by Imperial Grenadiers :oops:
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You have a point there black fish. Grognards is well known by old wargamers but for others it doesn't mean anything.
What do you think about my suggestion to call it “Commander in chief: Napoleon”.
You have Napoleon in the name and Commander in chief as a description of the game as the game offers you to act as a true CinC.
Let the criticism flow. I can take it. :wink:
/Lars L.
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If you want a "snazy" name, how about "Thunder and Smoke: Napoleon on Campaign" or something like that? I'd keep the "Napoleon etc. etc." part as a sub title, and use something fierce and warlike for the main title.
Really, all this matters for is the non-grog crowd anyhow. The real wargamers will buy it no matter what, as has been stated. So pick something that appeals to the masses of people who like to see cannons explode, and battlefield smoke from the muskets. Let them know up front that this title will deliver "action".
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Hello Everyone,
The name has to be simple, and immediately tell you what the game is about.
How about something simple, like:
"BATTLE !!
- Napoleon"
regards
sunray
:) :)
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I like the name. Besides IMO the target for this game would be hard core gamers of the era which would know the translation anyway. There are plenty of popular miniatures rulesets in the US with French titles (ie Les Grande Armee) so I think the title won't matter once word is out about how good a game is. [Not that I am a big fan of that ruleset, just an example for this purpose. My favorite ruleset and favorite game ever is a pc software program for miniatures called Carnage & Glory II.]
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How about "Bony was in Russia, so they say".
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I think 'Napoleon's Grognards' is a great name if you are aiming to appeal mainly to grognards, ie fairly hard core wargamers. If you want the game to have wider appeal, and shelf impact (will you be selling in shops?) you might need something different. I agree that the title should contain 'Napoleon' for instant recognition and impact. But you could use a more dramatic subtitle - how about something along the lines of (some of these are from book titles):
Napoleon: Anatomy of Glory
Napoleon: Clash of Empires
Napoleon: Crucible of Courage
Napoleon: Days of Glory
Napoleon: Days of Destiny
Napoleon: The Art of Victory
I think I quite like 'Napoleon: The Art of Victory'
Or you could go for something less dramatic, more descriptiive of what it does:
Napoleon: Battlefield Commander
Napoleon: Supreme Commander
Napoleon: Grand Tactics
Napoleon: Lines of Command
Napoleon: The Art of Command
Napoleon: The Art of Generalship
Napoleon: Command Decision
Napoleon: Command and Tactics
Napoleon: Order of Battle
'Napoleon: Order of Battle' is quite neat, a small play on words. You could then call the series 'The Order of Battle Series'; this first one would be 'Order of Battle: Napoleon', and your next expansion could be 'Order of Battle: Wellington'. :)
Whatever you decide on, good luck - looks like an excellent project.
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Welcome and Merci (Thank) for this deep contribution..
For this first version, I and --------- keep HistWar : Les Grognards...
and shelf impact (will you be selling in shops?) Maybe... :wink:
I like several names within your list.. For me, the best is :
Napoleon: The Art of Command
JMM
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JMM,
Just to say that the word "HistWar" is a great combination in itself.
Why not believing in its marketing value ?
I think that after your game is released, "HistWar" will become a wellknown brand of quality wargame.
In short, there will be wargame era before "HistaWar" and wargame era after. :wink:
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The game is in fact marketed as "Histwar: Les Grognards" at ---------. :wink:
/Lars L.