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HistWar (English zone) => General discussions => Discussion démarrée par: General_Chasse le 06 mai 2010, 09:39:01 am

Titre: Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: General_Chasse le 06 mai 2010, 09:39:01 am
My fellow combattants,

I was thinking about something like a strategy guide for myself on HWLG. But there are many ways to reach victory on the battlefield.
Some of us are already posting and explaining their feats in some of their battles.

So, I came up with the following idea: let's all do the same battle with the same army. Perhaps a new scenario, new map, not too big OoB.
If we then post the results and screenshots on this board, with different strategies and philosophies,  it will give people a tremendous insight in how to approach a battle; this forum post will then serve as a battle manual.

What about?
I myself am just starting out with this game and haven't gotten to proper OoB or map editing yet, so if people like this idea, I hope someone can create nice battle conditions.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 06 mai 2010, 15:57:35 pm
I like the idea.  The easiest way to do it would be with one of the HLG supplied scenarios. If you create oob's, maps etc.. you will have to email them to every participant. So if you select a scenario, everyone would also have to play the same side, and have a start day, say Saturday.  What do you think?
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 06 mai 2010, 16:05:24 pm
Good idea a fast challenge  for many players at the same time in practice.
The battle with the best result could upload into file depot how sav files for watch all battle.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: General_Chasse le 06 mai 2010, 21:08:46 pm
AJ, great. You're right about the scenario thing.

What is a nice standard scenario for this one? Montebello?
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 06 mai 2010, 23:20:39 pm
Montebello will do for me.  We have all got to agree on one side, General Chasse as it was your idea you should decide which side we will all be.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: General_Chasse le 08 mai 2010, 09:53:16 am
Ok Montebello's on the roll today.
Let's do the French side - While typing this, the battle has already commenced :)
Will post the results later in a thread called "Battle Manual: Montebello"
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 08 mai 2010, 14:27:31 pm
What settings are we using? I would suggest Marker info Vague, Ammo limited, if we go full FOW we wont get many good screens
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: General_Chasse le 08 mai 2010, 15:51:57 pm
That's fine; I had a lackluster attempt anyway with my battle, but was using unlimited ammo.
Will try again.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 08 mai 2010, 16:06:25 pm
OK mate. Montebello, fighting as French, Marker info Vague, Ammo Limited. I'm at it. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 08 mai 2010, 17:22:57 pm
Here are my initial Deployment orders, as you can see I have rearranged my Corps strengths. To keep it interesting I am not going to announce my battle plan yet, guesses are welcome though.

With Marker info Vague, I have quite a limited view on the Allies dispositions
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 08 mai 2010, 17:33:51 pm
Good ajle , unprotected from only sky.(B52)
I think that you move the corp at south after contact with enemy at center.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 08 mai 2010, 18:29:38 pm
Alfiere, you win first prize.  Hold my left and center and when the time is right, turn his left flank. Right now I am selectively feeding in reserve Cav and Arty to my left and center as needed.

Here is a screen of my cav supporting and hopefully protecting a Horse Arty Reg
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 08 mai 2010, 18:36:03 pm
Thank ajle i have learned something.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 08 mai 2010, 18:40:32 pm
Every battle I fight I learn something new. That's the beauty of HLG, JMM has created a simulation that has depth and realism.  Can you imagine what HLG is going to be like when all the bugs are ironed out  :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 08 mai 2010, 19:43:25 pm
Am I commiting myself to attack to early? It's all in the timing!!! My enemies flanks are exposed but should I have let him wear down a little more? Attached screen shows my Corps to the North and South committed to an attack plan. The reserve Cav is linking up in support with Ney's Corp attacking from the North. The reserve Corp in the South will protect my right from counter attack.
Also a good screen of French Lancers charging Cossacks
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 08 mai 2010, 19:46:07 pm
Got to go and build some fences for my sheep, more screens in a couple of hours
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 09 mai 2010, 00:23:05 am
Battle over, Strategic victory for the French, no Tactical winner.  I think I miss-timed my flank attacks, I could have done better.

Question, What would you have done differently if you had been the French?
Question, What would you have done differently if you had been the Allies?
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 09 mai 2010, 18:39:20 pm
Why do you not upload into Histwar Depot the save file? So we watch all battle.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 09 mai 2010, 18:45:08 pm
Alfiere, I have this anal thing about deleting save files on my computer when I'm done, so it's gone. However I found it so much fun I'm going to do it again and I WILL post the save file. Why don't you do one too? It's Marker info Vague, Ammunition Limited, View Full
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 09 mai 2010, 18:53:15 pm
Battle Montebello
OOB Montebello
Side French
Option :

Grognard ?
Marker info Vague
Ammunition limited
View full
Order immediate?
Other ?
Time of End for screenshots/results??
tomorrow i play.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 09 mai 2010, 19:12:02 pm
Battle Montebello
OOB Montebello
Side French
Option :

Grognard ?
Marker info Vague
Ammunition limited
View full
Order immediate?
Other ?
Time of End for screenshots/results??
tomorrow i play.


Not Gronard, Orders Immediate, Orders delay Historical, End time when you get the battle finished screen.

Good luck
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 09 mai 2010, 19:30:20 pm
I play how attach file.
Delay orders historical is very slow.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 09 mai 2010, 19:43:01 pm
I'll play the same, we can change the Delay Orders if you want, let me know
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 09 mai 2010, 19:45:38 pm
Delay of orders -> Limited
And do not delete the save file. Good Luck also to you
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: General_Chasse le 09 mai 2010, 23:29:22 pm
Gentlemen,

This is awesome!
I wanted to do a battle myself - but unexpected events prevented me from doing so. Will start when I have time again.

Great start though, thanks AJ.

Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 10 mai 2010, 02:16:44 am
Started and it's now past 1400 hrs.
Very limited view of the enemy during initial deployments but I decided that turning his flanks up those hills was hard work and increased fatigue considerably. So my plan this time was to keep his flanks pinned and drain him whilst sitting on defence.  When the time is right I am going to make a big push on the center through the valley with Ney's Corp, the fresh Infantry Corp and the Cavalry reserve Corp. The Allies left is strong but that's weakened his center but I most hold him on the south flank without using my reserves for the push on the center.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 10 mai 2010, 11:01:58 am
I have played with start slow and difficult recovery without victory.
After 3.5 hours of battle my ceh loss 10% vs 6% allied and at one point there was even tactical victory for Alexander.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 10 mai 2010, 15:49:12 pm
Alfiere, in my opinion the battlefield favors the Allies. At deployment they have quicker access to the higher ground in the north and they have the Marsh just south of their center. The Valley in the center, isn't a flat plain but is hilly and presents a tiring route for the French to attack through the center. Indeed Ney's Corps struggled with fatigue during his push though the valley and halted/retreated twice to reform, during his attack.

Anyhow my battle ended in a good victory for the French. At the first Red Screen, Napoleon had won a marginal Tactical and Strategic Victory, I clicked continue and pressed on for a good win. This time I got my timing right  :idea: :idea:

Although my plan from the beginning had been a center attack, I had to remain flexible in case his center was too strong. So if you look at my earlier deployment screen, you can see I had ample Reserves to divert to a flank attack if I had to change my original plan.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 10 mai 2010, 16:12:27 pm
You have taken a LOP with a corp. Very good.
I little use diversion,but for the game is a false attack or true attack?
You are too strong for me. :(
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: General_Chasse le 10 mai 2010, 16:22:09 pm
Gentlemen,

My turn :)
I have set up a Grande Batterie under Mortier; about 90 guns in total, deployed initially over a long line in my center (on top of the little hill North of the village.

After 4 hours of hammering away at the Enemy Center, starting with counterbattery and continuing with pounding the infantry, the Center started to wither a bit. A little gap appears.

In the South, Davout's little corps kept the Enemy Left in check, with some minor actions.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: General_Chasse le 10 mai 2010, 16:33:06 pm
So with the gap opened, it is time to wedge into it.
Finally all my corps get to see some action!

Victor, who had been waiting in the Village, moves up, and Lefebre, from the Northwest, moves down towards the Valley. The Enemy in this sector has been severely pounded by the Grand Batterie so they are ready for some cold steel.

At the end of the day, the wedge is complete.  Right and Left are completely seperated. Just before nightfall, my boys were ready to storm up the hill en masse.
Down south, Ney, Jerome and Davout were still jostling with the Allied Left wing.

The results of this day was: Marginal Tactical, but Strong Strategic. Unfortunately, due to time constraints, I didn't continue the battle for day 2, but I am sure I had an advantegous starting position.

What could have been better, is my timing. My corps were too far from my Grande Batterie. My attack on the Allied's right flank could have, and should have been engaged 1-2 hours earlier - I believe I could have ended the day on a more decisive note. However, I normally don't play with the historical order delay, so this was something to get used to ;)
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 10 mai 2010, 16:44:58 pm
General, what a brilliant tactic, you split him in two.  I think we both agree that the attack on the center is right for the topography of this battlefield.
I agree totally that timing is everything. In my first attempt I attacked at least an hour too early, in my second attempt I was more patient and got it right. Your timing was perfect. We should do a different scenario asap.

Alfiere, Diversion is a tease.  It is a probe without commitment but the enemy doesn't know that and may commit his reserves to support, so drawing them away from the area where your true attack is to happen. If nothing else it pins him down without commiting you force to a full attack.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 10 mai 2010, 16:52:48 pm
Congratulation also to General.
The end the only chicken I am.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 10 mai 2010, 18:47:01 pm
In summary of my posted battles at Montebello. At the moment Grand Tactical AI cannot change it's plan after the battle has begun, when JMM does something about this (I know it's on his list), SOLO mode battles will be even more challenging.

I however, although I enjoy solo now and again, will remain a commited pbem/MP player.  You can't beat the unpredicability of the thought process of a human being. After all Generals of the period were humans not computers. ;)
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: ges le 10 mai 2010, 18:55:11 pm
OK, this looks like fun.

Here is my setup.

Initial plan is to defend along my left flank and center, divert on my right.   Then see how things develop, but probably try to attack up the center.


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...and here is the situation by late morning...

My diversion on the right ran into a serious enemy advance.  For a while I thought I might lose much of my artillery that I had put dangerously far out front, but the artillery was able to get into action before they were overrun.

Something I've noticed in some of the other screenshots...it looks like part of the coalition force is getting stuck in the deep woods on the maps lower right.  This would appear to put the coalition at a disadvantage since part of their force is out of the action.


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And here is the map at the end:

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The ending analysis:

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I was able to push in the enemy's left flank, but mainly because he had a corps stuck in the deep forest there.  That seems to be a glitch.  Then I attacked in the center and was able to take some ground.

The two French artillery units at the top of the map (belonging to Lefebvre) got stuck up there and would not move with the corps when it advanced, nor would they respond to individual unit commands. 

On my right flank, it was very hard to carry an attack forward as the deploy orders kept getting cancelled or truncated, such that instead of deploying where I drew the line behind the enemy, the deploy line would be moved back to where the corps currently was located.  Or else the order would just be ignored.  Not sure if this is a bug or just part of the AI.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 10 mai 2010, 19:37:39 pm
Great to see you joining in the fun Ges, my worthy pbem opponent. We often waste too much of our energy on this Forum concentrating on the technical aspects of HLG and not enough time actually fighting battles etc... :roll: :roll: :roll:
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Marquês de Alorna le 11 mai 2010, 11:51:39 am
Dear all who have posted

I'm still inexperienced, so could you please answer the following questions:
 
1) Did you change any unit assignments during the setup phase?

2) Where did you change the Corps locations during the setup phase?

3) Which units did you detach for scouting in the beginning and where?

4) How do you calculate the line frontage when you give the orders "Defend in line" or "Deploy in line"?

Thanks a lot!

Regards,
António
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: General_Chasse le 11 mai 2010, 12:53:58 pm
Dear Marques,

this topic is meant for others to learn from, so here you go:

Citer
1) Did you change any unit assignments during the setup phase?

Yes. To create a Grande Batterie, I took 90 guns and placed them all under Mortier. No extra cavalry or infantry under him. The idea was to have Grouchy's calvary in support to fend off and chase down any enemies trying to approach and destroy my Grand Batterie.

Citer
2) Where did you change the Corps locations during the setup phase?

I put Victor's Corps close to the Village, to send him to occupy it just after the battle started. I had Grouchy and Murat in the rear of my Grande Batterie and Ney + Lefebre as my left.

Citer
3) Which units did you detach for scouting in the beginning and where?

I didn't, but I suppose Hussars would do nicely for this role.

Citer
4) How do you calculate the line frontage when you give the orders "Defend in line" or "Deploy in line"?

I am still inexperienced in that one, really. I do it on "gut feeling", it's always the same what I do and maybe I should experiment with it more.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 11 mai 2010, 14:58:05 pm
I have seen your battle in replay and i note the major differences than I did.

Thank
In attach file my situation 4 hours before the end.

Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 11 mai 2010, 19:21:17 pm
Alfiere & General Chasse, could you post your files on the Depot?
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 11 mai 2010, 19:22:57 pm
Ajle I have already sent to you for mail.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 11 mai 2010, 19:30:25 pm
Thanks mate, I only just got back
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 14 mai 2010, 15:16:54 pm
Another? same option Montebello
more difficult and historical  
Austerlitz_satel (map Histwar depot) + orendel OOB (Austerliz119x144) french 119 ceh  allied 144 to download file depot unofficial
side french

Who play? wait player at this post.

Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 14 mai 2010, 15:31:25 pm
OK, Alfiere, I'll do it.

Your Austerlitz Satmap
Orendels oob
Marker
Vague
Ammo Historical
Side French
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 14 mai 2010, 15:34:45 pm
Well.
Wait players at this post.
Play when want also immediately.
Results monday

SOLO mode
change only delay orders to limited
Do not deleted save file.
The battle with the best result will upload to Histwar depot.
Good luck
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 14 mai 2010, 18:38:46 pm
Alfiere, Question before I begin.

1. Do we have to respect Orendel's Corp composition?
2. Do we select "Scenario Austerlitz" and respect initial Corps Deployments?
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 14 mai 2010, 18:48:21 pm
2)Scenario there is not,you choose map (austerlitz_satel) and OOB(Austerlitz119x144) and
free initial corps deployment.
1)free
if i have understood.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 14 mai 2010, 20:45:59 pm
Got it mate :p :p :p
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 15 mai 2010, 03:07:13 am
VICTORY FROM THE JAWS OF DEFEAT

In all the battles I have fought none has tested or surprised me more than this one. It is a testimony to the depth and realism of the simulation "Histwar"

Every thing went wrong. My initial plan had to be scrapped when I saw the enemies deployments.  He then turned my left flank and was close to advancing a Corp on my LOP. He also was pressuring my center.  I was sure I was done for, in desperation I sent Murat's Cavalry Corp supported by the Imperial Guard to counter attack and bolster up my crumbling left flank. The move succeeded beyond my wildest dreams, not only did they halt the rot but turned and routed them.  The pressure on my center eased and I then ordered Soult's Corps to attack to the North East. The Allied army crumbled before me and gave Napoleon a "Significant Tactical & Decisive Strategic" Victory.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 15 mai 2010, 03:16:13 am
I'll have to post in parts because of the number of screens
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Posté par: AJ le 15 mai 2010, 03:18:54 am
The next one
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 15 mai 2010, 03:20:24 am
And the last one. I forgot to say that I respected the Corps composition of Orendel' oob. I figured if it was good enough for Napoleon, it was good enough for me :idea: :idea:

Also I found that in the areas I was under pressure, I marched the Emperor through his troubled troops and this made a big difference to their Moral, in fact where the defence was beginning to crumble and rout, they began to hold fast.  I think that this tactic of making sure your CinC stays close to the areas of greatest trouble, can save you from a disaster.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 15 mai 2010, 06:29:30 am
You are very strong.
I have for the moment only player 3 hours of battle with the usual start difficult.
You have played this battle with my preview map, without villages.
Hello
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 15 mai 2010, 15:13:00 pm
Sorry Alfiere I thought that was the right map, it'll do anyhow. As I said, it was the most engrossing and tricky battle I have fought to date and I can't help feeling I was Lucky :roll: :roll: :roll:
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 15 mai 2010, 15:32:19 pm
Now resume my battle,which is at a crossroads.
Pity it does not see other declared players. :?
Hello
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 15 mai 2010, 15:55:07 pm
Yes it would be good to see more people join the fun :roll: :roll:
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 15 mai 2010, 17:29:21 pm
Now my result.
You are very strong but but but ...
I have win and very lucky .
Your victory is twice my however.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 15 mai 2010, 17:38:03 pm
The mystery is that i have taken the LOP for all battle with cavalry without fight.
Allied non defended it.
Although did not affect stratospheric.
Now preparing some screen.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 15 mai 2010, 17:41:29 pm
Well done Alfiere, in fact our CEH win ratio was about the same.  Great results seeing that we were well outnumbered. Looking forward to your screens :lol: :lol: :lol:
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 15 mai 2010, 17:46:54 pm
Come on you guys, let's see your battle skills. Less posting about bugs etc.. and more fighting HLG battles. Take up the challenge, fight this battle and post your result here :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 15 mai 2010, 17:52:44 pm
Screens ....
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 15 mai 2010, 17:53:36 pm
Other and stop
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 15 mai 2010, 18:18:06 pm
Ajle next weekend suggest a battle to play.
I prefer historical also with unbalanced OOB.
There is beautiful scenarios on Histwar depot , maybe with protected LOP.
Hello
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 15 mai 2010, 18:30:54 pm
Will do Alfy
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 15 mai 2010, 18:36:45 pm
Great screens, great battle!!! He was strong in the center and as is the ever present danger with that type of attack, when he burst through he created a "Bubble" exposing both flanks of the attacking force :lol: :lol:
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 16 mai 2010, 15:29:40 pm
Alfiere and anyone else who wants a real challenge. My suggestion for the next battle is the Rear Guard action, La Rothiere.
With a CEH of 82 for France against 175, it makes it the toughest of fights. I have never prevailed, I did come close once.
Same battle settings, Marker/info Vague/Ammo Historical/Galvanised Units

Let me know, I may even fight it today if you agree.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 16 mai 2010, 17:31:41 pm
Ok for me, but wait at least another declared player.
Impressive battle.
I read about rear mode.
Hello
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Posté par: AJ le 16 mai 2010, 19:22:29 pm
Will do, ONE MORE PLAYER PLEASE!!!!!!!
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 16 mai 2010, 20:03:41 pm
I found this map of the battlefield at La Rothiere
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Posté par: AJ le 16 mai 2010, 20:29:36 pm
Did Orendel do an oob for la Rothiere, I would like to use his if he did but I can't find it
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 17 mai 2010, 11:55:30 am
I have played.
Fort Alamo but at the end colapse without to lose.
Result '.....'    ?

screens after Ajle result.
Please Ajle post screen at 800x600 is better to watch.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 17 mai 2010, 13:49:12 pm
If someone play in Solo mode also in second time the battles with better result , post it and do not delete save file.
In the attach file the option and battle.
Corp composition free,corp deploy free.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 17 mai 2010, 16:59:27 pm
I think my battle had a bug, it ended at 1800 hrs but it should have been 2200 hrs. At that time both Armies retreated from the battlefield as though it was the end of the first day of a 2 day Battle.
However I got a decent CEH victory and at the time of the retreat I was poised for a" General Advance"
My plan from the beginning was to defend across the narrowest point so creating a concentration of forces in a smaller area, remember I am outnumbered over 2 to 1, so I need an edge. My right is anchored by the town and protected by the river, my left protected by the Forest and Marsh. In the past I had tried to use the other towns and the hills but the enemy always prevailed.
I think I will fight this one again.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 17 mai 2010, 17:01:20 pm
Here are the final CEH and Stats
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 17 mai 2010, 17:12:07 pm
Then I lost heavily.
But what is '.....' result?   None result?
You did a brilliant result, many congratulations.

Hello
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 17 mai 2010, 17:20:44 pm
I didn't get a Red Screen Alfy, don't know why. There may be a problem with Battle Results for "Rear Guard" battle mode, perhaps JMM can comment. As for my result, thankyou but it may be a fluke, I have to fight it again today.
I'd really like to see some of the other major posters fight and post their results. I find we talk so much about theory and don't do enough actual public fighting of HLG, after all HLG was created to be "Fought" not "Talked". I personally learn a lot from other peoples battles.
Titre: Re : Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: orendel le 17 mai 2010, 17:23:59 pm
Did Orendel do an oob for la Rothiere, I would like to use his if he did but I can't find it

Did not make a La Rothiere oob yet - still waiting for the Prussians (Blücher and the Light Cavalry brigade of Biron) ...
Titre: Re : Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 17 mai 2010, 17:32:21 pm
No problem for my defeat , I enjoy seeing what you do and learn.
Next battle Aspern Essling ?
On depot unofficial.
Upload your battle?
Hello
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 17 mai 2010, 17:44:15 pm
Aspern Essling is great, I don't have upload privelege yet, will do when I get it
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 17 mai 2010, 17:46:53 pm
Send to you for mail?
Now upload your battle?
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 17 mai 2010, 18:47:32 pm
Screens..
What you have not to do.

and final collapse
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 17 mai 2010, 21:30:07 pm
Alfy, the thing is with this battle, you have to learn by Napoleons mistakes, after all he lost this one. The Emperor advanced as you did to hold the 2 towns on his right and center. By doing this he broadened his front, outnumbered 2 to 1 already it favoured the Allies. Fight it again, narrowing your front, this creates a bottleneck and gives you local parity with the enemy.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 18 mai 2010, 02:04:45 am
I have a suggestion. The single LOP for each side didn't really make  sense on this map, they just seemed placed in the center. I have added one for each side on a road. Can we use this or would you prefer the single one?
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 18 mai 2010, 07:26:45 am
Thank for your consolatory words  :cry:  :(  :?  :smile: and explanations  :idea:
A question Ajle do you use doctrine standard or 've made some changes?
Perheaps is better leave only 1 LOP thinking other players that must not change nothing to play.
I will post my result of Aspern Sunday after i take a week of break for to rethink all interesting things and fight again battles.
Hello Ajle
Titre: Re : Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Marquês de Alorna le 18 mai 2010, 14:47:32 pm
I didn't get a Red Screen Alfy, don't know why. There may be a problem with Battle Results for "Rear Guard" battle mode, perhaps JMM can comment. As for my result, thankyou but it may be a fluke, I have to fight it again today.
Yes, I'd posted this problem in the technical support thread. It happened to me when I was playing the last tutorial.

Regards,
António
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 18 mai 2010, 15:25:32 pm
Marques, Alfiere fighting the same "Rear Guard Mode" battle did get a Red Screen but there was no Victory information.
Why don't you join in the latest battle, it's good practice and posting your screens leads to some good constructive critique.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 18 mai 2010, 16:18:47 pm
Now is clear , following the Ajle explanation the battle is played in only one way to win.
But if Marques agrees ,we  play la Rothiere in Solo mode and post the result.
Titre: Re : Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Marquês de Alorna le 18 mai 2010, 16:27:14 pm
Why don't you join in the latest battle, it's good practice and posting your screens leads to some good constructive critique.
Dear friend, I'm currently attending a project meeting very far from home. It's better not to count with my Division at this time. But I plan to play and post a battle log once I get the opportunity.

Regards,
A. Grilo
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 18 mai 2010, 16:29:20 pm
Look forward to you joining in the fun :D :D :D
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 18 mai 2010, 16:39:42 pm
Then wait Marques for play.

Ajle you are ready for Aspern ?
The plan is ready ?
Muskets are loaded ?
The troops are motivated ?
The little drummers already playing ?

Vanish, o night!
Set, ye stars!
At dawn I shaaaaaaaall wiiiiiiiiin!

(Turandot by Puccini)


Maybe!!!!!!!!!

Sunday the result.
Hello
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 18 mai 2010, 21:02:24 pm
Another French victory, I never get these kind of results fighting pbem/Mp. My opponent is far more responsive to my plans than AI, that's why I really love fighting a Human :evil: :evil: :evil:
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 18 mai 2010, 21:07:33 pm
No at once!
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 18 mai 2010, 21:08:26 pm
And the final ones. Now yours Alfy
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 18 mai 2010, 21:15:23 pm
Terrific,I did not think so.
You're still the winner.
My
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 18 mai 2010, 21:17:23 pm
Screens
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 18 mai 2010, 21:18:02 pm
other
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 18 mai 2010, 22:17:13 pm
Hell Alfy you got overwhelming too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well done that man. I have to go out but I will study your screens when I get back. I still don't have upload priveleges but please upload yours, I will email you mine for upload.
Titre: Re : Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 19 mai 2010, 09:47:35 am
Another French victory, I never get these kind of results fighting pbem/Mp. My opponent is far more responsive to my plans than AI, that's why I really love fighting a Human :evil: :evil: :evil:

Yes this is clear.
But is important also to learn to read the battle and how set up attack and defense and know the opportunities.
How practice is very usefull,then in challenge with other players is also funny.
Then SOLO mode is very quick , a PBEM is long to play.
Only MP has all the advantages.
While wait to MP ......

Now that i have watch your Aspern replay the legendary cavalry charge seems to me a natural progression even if risky.
Perhaps I would have done.Mahh
In retrospect  I do not want fight again last past battles, go ahead if you want.
Next battle Echmuhl scenario from Histwar depot ufficial, same option.
Hello
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 19 mai 2010, 15:06:08 pm
Echmuhl it is mate, another hard battle is Marengo. You are right Alfy, SOLO is invaluable for training purposes, you learn so much abouy how HLG works, what is successfull and what isn't. As for my Cavalry charge, well that's one of the things I have learned about HLG, a charge by well balanced Cavalry on a weak advancing flank (not in defensive line), invariably works.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 19 mai 2010, 15:30:33 pm
Alfy, is this Orendels oob?
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 19 mai 2010, 15:43:29 pm
For OOB I do not know if it is of Orendel,but is historical.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 19 mai 2010, 15:50:42 pm
Downloaded, I like the map of deployments historical
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: General_Chasse le 19 mai 2010, 17:29:48 pm
Just a word on my part:
I'd love to have joined in, but I unexpectedly had a business trip to the other side of the world (China, in my case) so no Napoleonics for me - not on the digital battlefields, that is; I did bring a book along ;)

I'll join in the fray next week again.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 19 mai 2010, 17:39:38 pm
Sorry for my english
Well , hear again.
Hello
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 19 mai 2010, 18:23:34 pm
General, enjoy.  One of my sons is in China as well. Look forward to you joining us, I think this is going to be an ongoing project
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Marquês de Alorna le 24 mai 2010, 11:54:04 am
Dear all,

Sorry for the delay! I have finally got the time to play La Rothiere. I have used the options that were previously agreed on this thread. I have kept the initial assignments intact, but I've changed the deployment. Here is my initial deployment and plan:


- Ney to take position and defend in line between the villages of Dienville and La Rothiere, resting the flanks on the latter.

- Oudinot: To link up with Ney and support his effort (for some reason, Oudinot did not move and I had to order it to move later on to help defending from the allied assault)

- Grouchy: To take position behind Ney ready to charge into any gap resultant from the enemy assault.

- Nansouty: To take position to the east of La Rothiere, prolonging the line from Ney's corps. Since this is a cavalry corps it is expected to deploy in time to help sustain Ney's deployment.

- Gerard: To defend in line between the position occupied by Nansouty and the woods located to north of Chaumesnil, thus defending that point of penetration, supported by the woods on his left flank.

- Victor: To take position behind Nansouty, ready to help either the latter or Gerard, depending on the enemy's actions and outcome.

- Marmont to form the army reserve, deploying intially near Brienne.

To summarize what happenned, the Grand Armée was able to deploy just in time to receive the assault:
- Ney's defending line was able to resist until the end of the battle despite some hard dispute for La Rothiere.
- Nansouty was also able to sustain the enemy's assault. Later on Victor was able to join the effort, allowing Nansouty's corps to reorganize before rejoining the fray.
- Gerard's line was not directly attacked. An enemy corps (Scherbatov?) went around to the marches and east of the wood and I had to deploy Marmont ready for any eventuality. However, the enemy did not lauch any assault, and limited himself to bombard Gerard's troops with a horse artillery unit, which had some effect on a few units that were routed. As a self-remark, I should have assigned some cavalry and artillery to support Gerard from the beginning. It was quite late when I have assigned to him 3 cavalry units from Nansouty's corps, as well as a horse artillery battery from Oudinot. In the last phase of the battle I have ordered Gerard to deploy in line in the NS direction SW of the wood, where he remained until the end of the day unchallenged.
- Grouchy was able to remain in position behind Ney until the end, and saw virtually no action. He, together with Marmont were the reserve of the army.
- Marmont was redeployed to the west of the woods once Gerard was endangered, since Victor had to move south to support Nansouty. He remained there, with Grouchy on his right until the end of the day.

I am posting the most relevant screenshots.

Regards,
A. Grilo
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Marquês de Alorna le 24 mai 2010, 11:55:07 am
Here are the final screens.
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Alfiere le 24 mai 2010, 12:23:34 pm
(I always must use Google translator)
Well Marques to participate.
You made a brave attack after Ajle results.
Ajle remains the winner , but you have beaten to me easily.
We hope to see for other battles.
Hello
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Marquês de Alorna le 24 mai 2010, 13:59:53 pm
A few comments/remarks/doubts on the mechanics of the game as observed in my La Rothiere fight...

1) Unlike the corps to which the "Deploy in line" order was given, after I gave the order to "Defend in line", Ney did not immediately adapt his initial deployment to suit the length and relative positions on the final defensive line position. This caused useless delays due to extra maneuvering. Namely there were cavalry regiments placed among the infantry regiments in the middle of the defensive line!

2) Sometimes the march to the final position is made in a very anarchic (and dangerous) way, and the artillery dangerously marches quite ahead of the rest of the corps, or maneuvers too far away from the bulk of the corps.

3) The "Link-up" order given to Oudinot had no effect. His artillery kept the initial position and did not accompany Ney's march to the target defensive line. I have to change his orders and provide and explicit deployment position.

Do you have the same impressions? Do you consider that these are still AI handicaps? Or do you find logical reasons for this to happen?

António
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 24 mai 2010, 17:30:13 pm
Well done Marques, I'm glad you joined in the fun.  It does help to understand the battle if you add notes on the screenshots.
Alfy is arranging the next one, we are now posting  this Topic:

http://www.histwar.org/forum/index.php/topic,4904.0.html
Titre: Re : Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: Marquês de Alorna le 24 mai 2010, 17:56:46 pm
Well done Marques, I'm glad you joined in the fun.  It does help to understand the battle if you add notes on the screenshots.
Right, I'll do it next time.
Anyway, I've taken the screenshots in "Tactical Plan" mode. I think that if you read the description and look at the shots, you will easily understand the maneuvers.

António
Titre: Re : Let's do the same battle and post screenshots/results
Posté par: AJ le 24 mai 2010, 18:04:42 pm
Marques, I would like to be able to offer an opinion but I need to view your save file. Please copy it from Histwar/HistwarGames/Save/Battle, and e mail it to:

ajlewisbrookes4@comcast.net