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[Ras]

The battle with the highest cavalry count in this OoB-set is Friedland with about 38.000 riders.
The highest share of cavalry you find in the (very small and unbalanced) clash at Herbrechtingen (about 60%).

Thanks for looking, orendel.
Friedland is too large for what I want and has too much infantry. Herbrechtingen is nice and small but one side has only two units.
At Alteglofsheim 1809 (I was thinking about doing that) there were 39 squads vs 60 squads but in game you would only have 5 Austrian units and a good dozen French ones. Would be unfair and boring. It seems histoy doesn't really provide what I want. I'll either do a fictional battle or something completely different. 

[mccourt]

Been working on the OOB for Raab but finding some conflicting sources for Eugenes forces... anyone recommend a relaible source?
Thanks
TOm

[Ras]

orendel,

I'm interested in Reichenbach 1813.
Here's what I have so far:

French Army (Napoleon)
- VII Corps (Reynier)
 32nd (French) Division
 Saxon Royal Corps
- I Cavalry Corps (Latour-Mauburg)
 1st Light Cavalry Division
 3rd Light Cavalry Division
 1st Cuirassier Division
- Guard Light Cavalry (Lefebre-Desnoettes)
Total: 11,000 Infantry , 5,400 Cavalry and 11 Batteries

Russian Army (Wurttemberg)
- 2nd Infantry Corps (Wurtemberg)
 3rd Division
 4th Division
 Corps Cavalry
- Reinforcements
 5th Division
 2nd Cuirassier Division
 Trubezkoi Cavalry (Corps?)
Total: 12,300 Infantry ; 7,180 Cavalry and 12 Batteries

Obviously, I need more details. Can you help me out?

[Taff]

Are you after the units in the Corps?

[Ras]

Are you after the units in the Corps?

I'm mainly wondering atm who Trubezkoi is.
Here's what I've so far. Note that the Order is taken from the complete order.
So, there are far more units and men than I need.

French forces
VII Corps: General de Division Reynier

32nd (French) Division     General de Division Durutte
   1st Brigade    De Vaux
      1st Battalion, 35th Light    1 Battalion
      3rd and 4th Battalions, 131st Line    2 Battalions
      3rd and 4th Battalions, 132nd Line    2 Battalions
   2nd Brigade    Jarry
      4th Battalion, 36th Light    1 Battalion
      3rd and 4th Battalions, 133rd Line    2 Battalions
      2nd and 3rd Battalions, Würzburg Regiment    2 Battalions
   Divisional Artillery    
      2 Foot Batteries    16 guns
24th Division     Generallieutenant Edler von Lecoq
   1st Brigade    Oberst von Brause
      1st Battalion, Leib Grenadier Garde    1 Battalion
      1st Light Infantry (von Lecoq)    2 Battalions
      1st Battalion, Prinz Maximilian    1 Battalion
      2nd Battalion, von Rechten    1 Battalion
2nd Brigade    Generalmajor von Mellentin
      von Spiegel Grenadier Battalion    1 Battalion
      Prinz Friedrich August    2 Battalions
      von Steindel    2 Battalions
   Divisional Artillery    Major von Roth
      1st Foot Battery    Hauptmann Kuhnel (8 guns)
      2nd Foot Battery    Hauptmann Rouvroy (8 guns)
Attached to the Division    
   Pioneers    1 Company    

Corps Reserve Artillery    
   1 Foot Battery    Hauptmann Rouvroy (8 guns)

Saxon Heavy Cavalry Brigade (?)
1st Cavalry Corps    Generalmajor Lessing
   Leib Kürassiere Garde    4 Squadrons
   Zastron Kürassiere    4 Squadrons


I Cavalry Corps (French)

71 squadrons and 5 batteries

Latour-Maubourg, GdD Marie-Victor-Nicolas de Fay

1st Light Cavalry Division
Corbineau, GdD Jean-Baptiste-Juvenal

    1st Light Cavalry Brigade
    1) Rosnyvinen, Hippolyte-Marie-Guillaume de, Comte de Pire [GdD 15.10.1813]
    2) Coetlosquet, GdB Charles-Yves-Cesar-Cyr, Chevalier du [replaced GdB Pire 15.10.1813]

        6th Hussar Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Savoie-Carignan, Colonel Joseph-Marie, Prince de

        7th Hussar Regiment: 3 squadrons
        Eulner, Colonel Guillaume-Joseph, Baron

        8th Hussar Regiment: 3 squadrons
        1) Coetlosquet, Colonel Charles-Yves-Cesar-Cyr, Chevalier du [GdB 15.10.1813]
        2) Thurot, Colonel Nicolas [replaced Colonel Coetlosquet 15.10.1813]

    2nd Light Cavalry Brigade
    Pelletier, GdB Aime-Sulpice-Victor, Baron de Montmarie

        1st Chevauleger-Lancer Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Jacquinot, Colonel Jean-Baptiste-Nicolas, Chevalier

        3rd Chevauleger-Lancer Regiment: 1 squadron
        1) Hatry, Colonel Charles-Joseph-Jean-Baptiste-Georges, Chevalier [killed/missing 14.10.1813]
        2) Texier d’Hautefeuille, Colonel Eugene-Gabriel-Louis

        16th Chasseur  Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Latour-Foissac, Colonel Antoine-Henri-Armand-Jules-Elisabeth de


    3rd Light Cavalry Brigade
    Picquet, GdB Cyrille-Simon, Baron

        5th Chevauleger-Lancer Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Chabert, Colonel Francois-Felicite

        [Polish] 8th Chevauleger-Lancer Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Lubienski, Colonel Thomas, Comte

        [Italian] 1st Chasseur Regiment: 4 squadrons
        Gasparinetti, Colonel Antonio-Giovanni


3rd Light Cavalry Division
Chastel, GdD Louis-Pierre-Aime, Baron

    4th Light Cavalry Brigade
    Vallin, GdB Louis, Baron

        8th Chasseur Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Talleyrand-Perigord, Colonel Alexandre-Edmond, Duc de

        9th Chasseur  Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Auvrange-Dukermont, Colonel Francois-Eugene, Baron d’

        25th Chasseur Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Faudoas, Colonel Paul-Eugene, Marquis de


    5th Light Cavalry Brigade
    Merlen, GdB Jean-Baptiste, Baron van

        1st Chasseur Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Huber, Colonel Pierre-Francois-Antoine, Baron

        19th Chasseur Regiment: 3 squadrons
        Vincent, Colonel Henri-Catherine-Balthazard, Baron

1st Heavy Cavalry Division
Tardif de Pommeroux, GdD Etienne, Comte de Bordesoulle

    Cavalry Brigade
    1) Berckheim, GdD Sigismond-Frederic, Baron de
    2) Sopransi, GdB Louis-Charles-Barthelemy, Baron [13.10.1813]

        2nd Cuirassier Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Rolland, Colonel Pierre, Baron

        3rd Cuirassier Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Lacroix, Colonel Jean-Guillaume de

        6th Cuirassier Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Martin, Colonel Jean-Baptiste-Isidore, Baron

    Cavalry Brigade
    Bessieres, GdB Bertrand, Baron

        9th Cuirassier Regiment: 3 squadrons
        Habert, Colonel Jean-Nicolas

        11th Cuirassier Regiment: 3 squadrons
        Lefevre, Colonel Francois-Nicolas

        12th Cuirassier Regiment: 2 squadrons
        Daudies, Colonel Michel-Jean-Paul

    [Saxon] Cavalry Brigade
    Lessing, GM H.-A. von

        Garde-Kurassier Regiment: 4 squadrons
        Berge, OB Friedrich-Gotthelf von

        Cuirassier Regiment von Zastrow: 4 squadrons
        Ziegler und Klipphausen, Col. Adolf-Gottlob-Ehrenreich-August von

Imperial Guard Cavalry
2nd Division
Lefebvre-Desnouettes, GdD Charles, Comte

    1st [Polish] Lancer Regiment: 4 squadrons
    Krasinski, GdB Vincent-Corvin, Comte [GdD 28.11.1813]

    1st Chasseur Regiment: 4 squadrons
    Lion, GdB Jean-Dieudonne, Baron

    Horse Grenadier Regiment: p squadrons
    Castex, GdB Bertrand-Pierre, Baron [GdD 28.11.1813]

    Artillery

        1 – 6 pdr Horse Artillery Battery



Allied/Russian forces

Russian II Corps

24 battalions and 5 batteries
Wurttemburg, GL Eugene Prinz von

3rd Infantry Division
Schachkovskoi, GM Ivan

    Brigade

        Jaeger Regiments Nr. 20 and Nr. 21: 4  battalions

    Brigade

        Murmansk and Revel Infantry Regiments: 4 battalions

    Brigade

        Chernihov and Selenguinsk Infantry Regiments: 4 battalions

4th Infantry Division
Pyshnitzki, GM Dmitri

    Brigade
    Reibnitz, Colonel Karl Pavlovich

        Jaeger Regiment Nr. 4: 2 battalions

        Kremenchug and Minsk Infantry Regiments: 4 battalions

    Brigade
    Fedorov, Colonel Aleksandr

        Jaeger Regiment Nr. 34: 2 battalions

        Tobolsk and Volynsk Infantry Regiments: 4 battalions

Russian Cavalry Corps

22 squadrons + Cossacks
Pahlen, GL Petr Petrovich, Count von der

    Brigade
    Ridinger, GM Alexandr Karlovich

        Grodno Hussar Regiment

        Soumy Hussar Regiment

    Brigade
    Lisanevich, GM Grigorii Ivanovich

        Loubny Hussar Regiment: 4 squadrons

        Chuguiev Uhlan Regiment: 6 squadrons

    Brigade
    Illowaiski-XII, GM

        3 Cossack Regiments

        1 Tartar Regiment



Reinforcements:
5th Infantry Division
Mezentov, GM Vladimir Petrovich

    Brigade

        Jaeger Regiments Nr. 23 and Nr. 24: 4 battalions

    Brigade
    Vlastov, GM

        Sewski and Kaluga Infantry Regiments: 4 battalions

    Brigade
    Lukov, GM

        Perm and Mogilev Infantry Regiments: 4 battalions

        Grand Duchess Catherine Pavlovna Infantry: 1 battalion

2nd Cuirassier Division (Austrian Cuirassier Corps)
Civalart, FML Karl, Graf

    Brigade
    Kuttalek von Ehrengreif, GM Ferdinand

        Cuirassier Regiment Friedrich-August-Albert, Prinz von Sachsen Nr. 3: 4 squadrons
        Bayerwerk, OB Heinrich, Freiherr von

        Cuirassier Regiment Karl-Eugen, Prinz zu Lothringen Nr. 7: 4 squadrons
        Hessen-Homberg, OB Ferdinand, Prinz zu

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[Taff]

All Above is what I have.From Lieven & Bowden.No mention of Trubezkoi Cavalry .Only mention I can find is from Quincy Adams who mentions him as ADC

[Ras]

All Above is what I have.From Lieven & Bowden.No mention of Trubezkoi Cavalry .Only mention I can find is from Quincy Adams who mentions him as ADC

Okay, thanks for looking it up. orendel has a different source book. Maybe he'll find him and can give better numbers for the scenario. But I guess it will be a fictional based on historical scenario.

[Ras]

I got the idea from the "Project Leipzig 1813" page.
Here's what he got:

French Army (Napoleon)
- VII Corps (Reynier)
 32nd (French) Division
 Saxon Royal Corps
- I Cavalry Corps (Latour-Mauburg)
 1st Light Cavalry Division
 3rd Light Cavalry Division
 1st Cuirassier Division
- Guard Light Cavalry (Lefebre-Desnoettes)
Total: 11,000 Infantry , 5,400 Cavalry and 11 Batteries

Russian Army (Wurttemberg)
- 2nd Infantry Corps (Wurtemberg)
 3rd Division
 4th Division
 Corps Cavalry
- Reinforcements
 5th Division
 2nd Cuirassier Division
 Trubezkoi Cavalry (Corps?)
Total: 12,300 Infantry ; 7,180 Cavalry and 12 Batteries

Judging from that list, there's plenty of cavalry (what I want) and some support infantry.
Should be interesting. I'm trying to figure out if a 10km map is okay for that.

[Taff]

Prince Yuri Petrovich Trubezkoi & just to narrow it down more he got an Order of Merit in 1814.Which no use for what you are looking for<G>

[orendel]

Digby Smith says that General Prince Trubetzkoi led the following allied reinforcements at Reichenbach:

- GM Count Obolensky:
-- 3rd Ukrainian Cossack Pulk (4sqn)

- GM Pahlen II:
-- DragR Tver and Dorpat (2sqn each)

- Col Uvarov:
-- Lubny Hussars (2sqn)
-- 1 Horse battery

- GM Gengross:
-- DragR Mittau and Moscow (2sqn each)

- GM Millesimo:
-- DragR Kiev and Kharkov (3 sqn each)
-- 1 Horse battery

Artillery Reserve:
1/2 12 pdr battery
1 6pdr battery

Another artillery unit GM Nikitin:
1 Heavy battery
1 light battery
1 Horse battery

some unidentified infantry under General Mellentin

[Ras]

Excellent, thanks very much.
Let's see if I can get us a nice battle out of this.

[Théodoricus]

+2
Thanks a lot !

 
Théodoricus

[DominiqueT]

You are doing a tremendous job ! Many thanks !

[Montecuccoli]

Thanks for those OOBs 

Just a remind for everyone making oobs, remember (as written on the manual) that AI will make better plans if "she" has from 5 to any 5+n Corps.

[orendel]

Thanks for those OOBs 

Just a remind for everyone making oobs, remember (as written on the manual) that AI will make better plans if "she" has from 5 to any 5+n Corps.

This is an important point I neglected when I started this project. My first OoBs were very much based on the historical organizations and consisted of just a few, sometimes only one corps per side. Later on I tried to split the armies in more commands to respect both playability and the AI.
When I have finished all OoBs through 1815 I'm going to review all of them and try to make them more playable and AI-friendly.